Distension Beta Suggestions/Bugfix thread

[2kill]

2kill/terr EMP: believe it or not, your opinion isn't the only one I take into consideration!

I realize this and I'm sorry if it sounded like I thought so.

Cheese! wanted the energy deplete to be removed entirely (which couldn't happen -- that's the whole point of EMP)

but as you don't want to touch that its not going to happen
[Edit: and Cheese! is talking from a levis point of view so they have a slow recharge so it would be more annoying to him then to other people most likely]

and Acid suggested the engine shutdown last longer.

I can see that working too if you increase the time enough

The engine shutdown is definitely not the point of the ability in the slightest (just an afterthought), so I reduced it to 1 second. Originally this ability wasn't going to have the engine shutdown at all! I can put the time up to 20 minutes

I didn't know that it wasn't going to be part of the original to me it seemed to follow so i never thought about taking it away so when it happened in the test (and no one had said anything on the forums) I was surprised and was just trying to find out why. thats all

again I am really sorry if I sounded like I didn't accept other peoples opinions.

2kill

[Fluffz]

lets hope dack falu isnt considered to be an aspect of the game or else i will be in trouble :fear:

[gdugwyler]

IMPORTANT NOTE TO BETA TESTERS

From today's test onward, any mention of any aspect of the game as "useless," "worthless" or something to a similar effect will result in an immediate and permanent removal from the beta test. There will be no warning. (This of course will not carry over to the public release.)

Why? Because beta testers that describe something as useless are completely useless as beta testers. I appreciate feedback. That's the whole point of this process. But to say that some ability or other has no worth whatsoever is also of absolutely no use. It doesn't help me in the slightest. And it shows the tester hasn't thought out what they're saying and probably isn't willing to -- all the more reinforcing the very low worth of their haphazardly-formed opinion.

On the other hand, saying something seems underpowered for reason X or Y is extremely useful. I'd really like to hear more people saying what they avoid buying. Please list anything you think is too costly, requires too high a rank, or just doesn't give or do quite what it should.

Sorry to be so harsh on this. But saying essentially "this is gay" is infantile and frankly pretty fucking insulting. I'm just sick of it after spending far too much time on this game, and I'm no longer going to put up with mewling little tykes that have absolutely nothing to contribute to this game getting out the door, because, thankfully, I don't have to.

I won't take ignorance of this notice as an excuse. You're just not welcome in the beta anymore if you can't put on the big girl/big boy pants while you play.


All that said, thanks to everyone who's put real thought into improving the game. This would be nowhere close to what it is now without your constant help, and it's very much appreciated.

[gdugwyler]

k i scrapped super, is uh... very bad.
i had 3 levels of it, so 15% chance in total. lets just say, in the 40 min i had it, i only got it once and i lasted 3 or 4 sec? -_-

level 3 energy tank is better... :P

Statistically that's extremely unlikely. As the super timer (at present) appears underneath the progress bar I'm guessing some of the times you weren't able to see it show up. Try it again today -- I'm upping the percentage chance added per level, and adding in a PM so that you know when you get it. Unfortunately due to the hideous way SS does the super timer, it's always a random amount of time, from 0 seconds (!) to 15. Idiotic. But, that's what we have to live with -- on average it will last 7.5 seconds.

From a purely stochastic perspective you should have received it 12 times over 40 minutes. If I double the percentage yield, for 3 levels it should be 24 times, or roughly once every 2 minutes. The only tricky part is not being able to know exactly when it will fire ... that particular idiosyncrasy alone should be enough to justify a percentage chance increase, especially when comparing the ability to energy tank. (I would like it to make sense for a player to choose one or the other, and not be forced to choose a single one just because it's clearly better.)

2kill/terr EMP: believe it or not, your opinion isn't the only one I take into consideration! There were 2 other people who had an opinion about it, and their point of view was quite a bit different than yours. Cheese! wanted the energy deplete to be removed entirely (which couldn't happen -- that's the whole point of EMP), and Acid suggested the engine shutdown last longer. The engine shutdown is definitely not the point of the ability in the slightest (just an afterthought), so I reduced it to 1 second. Originally this ability wasn't going to have the engine shutdown at all! I can put the time up to 20 minutes, but increase the engine shutdown time again slightly, if people are in agreement that this would be a good idea, to make the ability a bit less common, but more powerful.

[2kill]

emp as I've said I think its really just needs to be increased just a little bit like 5-10 mins max
2kill

hmm... in the last test I saw that you decreased how long it effected you. I think at the amount of time it gives is not enough to do anything anymore and as I said above its wasn't overpowered to me just I could tell that at 15 min it would get annoying quick.

thats all
2kill

[AcidBomber]

lets have another army randomization? i dont like this fixed armies one always gets better at a faster speed than the other. also im not on that freq which bothers me.

I agree, our team never have any sharks.
And Fluff's team have like 1 spider while we have like 5. (By the way - i'm actually on Fluff's team to begin with, but i cant switch back cuz of people macro-ing !assist 1 so i just stayed.) -_-

Oh, and uh... new army name? Is too long. Something misanothpy something

[Fluffz]

lets have another army randomization? i dont like this fixed armies one always gets better at a faster speed than the other. also im not on that freq which bothers me.

[AcidBomber]

k i scrapped super, is uh... very bad.
i had 3 levels of it, so 15% chance in total. lets just say, in the 40 min i had it, i only got it once and i lasted 3 or 4 sec? -_-

level 3 energy tank is better... :P

[gdugwyler]

Seems like a lot of bandwidth will be wasted because people are annoyed by Dack.

Fortunately it won't require much to do something about it. It would just alter the playing style a little bit. Whether or not it should be done I'm still unsure, though I sort of like the idea of a rogue army. Some people might choose to join it straight off just because that's how they like to play. Maybe having a chance to play the game in a way that isn't like purepub would actually be beneficial. I know that I still enjoy not basing from time to time, one reason I put the free play time in after a round.

prj drag: I implemented your idea about streaks not being counted except inside a base. Also made kills outside any base worth 20% less. It might do something. Marked you down for the idea.

Spiders: Not sure there's a lot I can do. I upped the energy tank recharge rate per level from 15% to 25%; maybe the ability will now become more useful, and spiders can depend on it a bit more, balancing out their otherwise low energy. Does anyone use the super, and if so, how well does it work? Does its rate need to be upped? 5% seems a bit small, though a spider with several levels of it and multifire would be able to devastate an FR.

[meddi]

I don't think people like Dack are much of an issue...yet. I can see how having several people floating about no-mans-land is a waste of space on your team; however, Dack himself still manages to rake in a reasonable amount of kills in a game. He also causes grief to terrs and players making their way between bases.

If this becomes more common, and is exercised in a less skillful manner, it may cause balance issues.

[AcidBomber]

I get raped by ships way under my level, I think I had most deaths. The only redeeming thing I can do now is basically suicide rush the terr with anti...

I am pretty much in the same shoe as mango here... except i have multi instead of anti.
All i can do is rush terr with my multi-fire (low firing delay) and hope for a terr kill.
lol =\

[mango]

I get raped by ships way under my level, I think I had most deaths. The only redeeming thing I can do now is basically suicide rush the terr with anti...

[AcidBomber]

Zeimonster> spider is overpowered!
Left_Eye> no
mango> wow
Left_Eye> spider isn't overpowered
Left_Eye> far from it
Left_Eye> warbird/javs
Left_Eye> are overpowered
AcidBomber> yeh
AcidBomber> vs spids
Left_Eye> spider is way underpowered
Left_Eye> it needs more
AcidBomber> yeh
Left_Eye> to even compete
Zeimonster> umm
Zeimonster> lies?
Left_Eye> sigh
AcidBomber> lefty
B.RabbiT> no lies
AcidBomber> our freq = spids
Aquatiq> ew
Left_Eye> no lies, zei, try going against aquatiq
AcidBomber> their freq = wb + javs
Left_Eye> and see how well you do
B.RabbiT> spids are the weakest ships
Coruscate entered arena
Zeimonster> try going against aquatiq with any ship
mango> lies? b rabbit is like 100-10 deaths sinc he got that yellow bomb
alinea <ZH> I can't even stand to play my spid anymore
Zeimonster> duh
alinea <ZH> it's underpowered with red bullets and overpowered with yellow..
alinea <ZH> and getting to yellow is too painful
mango> spid gets yellow and everyone whines
AcidBomber> ^
AcidBomber> the thing is
AcidBomber> our freq = all spids
AcidBomber> your freq = wb + javs
Left_Eye> spider deserves yellow
Left_Eye> everyone else basically has yellow
AcidBomber> we get yellow at level 47 now
AcidBomber> which is impossible
MeDDi> i have to admit, the spids with L2 were prtty overpowered
AcidBomber> cuz me and mango are at 44
Aquatiq> but only when yellow becomes a 2-shot kill over all
Aquatiq> spider should never have 1-hit kill across the board
Zeimonster> see? i can kill level 40+'s easily
Aquatiq> most can tank yellow now that dug lowered it
Zeimonster> with a level 15 spid!
Zeimonster> :P
MeDDi> lol
AcidBomber> no Aqua
AcidBomber> i can tank it
AcidBomber> only if i dont shoot
AcidBomber> 1410 energy
Left_Eye> so we get yellow at 47 now?
HOLD BROKEN: Intergalactic Planetary, Inc. - Zeimonster
AcidBomber> and i am rank 44




Conclusion: high level spiders with L1s getting raped by other ships around the same level.
Still 3 ranks away from L2s for both me and mango, which is roughly 200k... -___-

[project dragon]

Is there any way to make it so rp earned per kill differ when in fr/mid/spawn area, and to have that affect the streak rp somehow? And then during free play, make it so it is all weighted equally.

Or does that already happen an I am an idiot ? ? ? : (

[2kill]

Re: !emp, the only thing not up for negotiation is the energy dropping to 0. This is the entire point of the ability. I could remove the engine shutdown portion, or adjust the time for shutdown (which also affects Weasels' vengeful bastard, unless one or the other used the negative engine shutdown, which has I believe double the time of a normal shutdown), and also in doing this increase or decrease regen time for the ability. Suggestions very welcome.

Terr +3%: as long as you're in FR +50% of the time you should get the bonus. For most Terrs this should be pretty easy to get. If it seems like it's being given out too frequently, we could up it to 60%, or reduce the bonus to 2.5% or 2%.

emp as I've said I think its really just needs to be increased just a little bit like 5-10 mins max

Also I like that the terrs just need to be in FR 50% of the time I was just making sure that you wanted that, cause I was concerned that the only terr (as I was in the test ) wouldn't get the bonus going in between bases, and I was going to ask for you to make something to help out the only terr on the team.

2kill