Distension discussion

[Raible]

I hope neither Dako nor Cheese ever have it their way.

Or put them both in charge and call it Entension.

You know, opposite of Dis-...


Anyway, on to why I post.

Qan you may or may not remember I told you a while ago about the bot crashing when a goal is scored 'at the wrong time', probably thought it was a fluke or something. I was pretty sure then, and after it happening again today I'm quite certain. This is what happened:

  Team Goal! by H.M.S. Stargazer  Reward:196
  SCORE: Evens:5  Odds:0
E       DBot> Total 1461 RP awarded for goal (avg 146)
[...]
  AUTOSAVE: All players saved to DB in 1ms.
[...]
  The next battle is just beginning . . .
  Team Goal! by H.M.S. Stargazer  Reward:196
  SCORE: Evens:6  Odds:0
[Bot gone]

You also asked me to post my idea for encouraging a more active playstyle which I mentioned to you.

After giving it some more tought, here's how I'd do it. Every player gets an RP multiplier for kills that's by default at 1. At each kill they make, you store their location, and if the location was different from the last kill, the current time/tick (and reset the multiplier if it's below 1). At the start of the kill-RP-calculation, you check if the current location is within a very small radius of the previous location. If so, you check if more than about 5 seconds have passed from the stored time. If so, you subtract 0.1-0.2 from the multiplier, unless it's already at a minimum of around 0.3. If the multiplier is below let's say 0.7, the kill doesn't count towards a streak by default, and if at all possible not towards the Lanc unlock.

Sharks should be exempt because of their play style (unless HMS starts camping when he gets yellow bullets as well as Terrs since one has to assume that they need to be where they need to be for the greater good.

You may also find a reason to increase the multiplier, for example to 1.5 for claiming a flag and 2 for breaking a sector hold, and have it decrease by 0.1 for each kill until it's back to 1.

I could probably write most of the code if you want me to.

[dako]

No one asked for your opinion.:P

Comment #1 was made before cheese overly whiny and childish

Comment #2 was a revocation of comment #1 after the fact

[PH]

If I could have it my way, I would give Cheese! the ability to start / stop distension

So cheese got lanc, gj, but is this the image you want your ops portraying in front of 70 players? The kid can't control himself, has a terrible attitude, and gets mad at the drop of a hat.

:detective

[dako]

Cheese, you have proved yourself obnoxious, rude, arrogant, immature, and whiny time and time again over the past few weeks. No one is out to get you, no one is trying to make you cry. Its occured several times over all the distension hosting periods that you've lashed out because of bad teaming / whatnot, but the "FUCK YOU TERRIBLE NEWB TEAM" and the "SUCK IT BITCHES" are unwarranted for a normal distension player, much less someone with Op powers. Maybe mommy will teach you one day that whining never gets you what you want.

[skullspace]

then I played for nothing with the shark

cuz i wanted play with lanc wtf fuck qan or dug

[roxxkatt]

nice team up guys.


btw dako, trying hard enough to get me axed?

i mean youve already lied to hms saying that i was abusing the queue, and now youre trying this angle?
i guess i made the mistake of giving you this information, and i honestly didnt expect you to attempt to stab me in the back with it.

i would have expected better of you...



first you tried to get hms axed here:
http://forums.trenchwars.org/showpos...8&postcount=94

and me here:
http://forums.trenchwars.org/showpos...&postcount=132


and i hope they have the fortitude not to be played like a fool, especially by you.
hopefully qan will see through this ruse.


I dont claim to be liked by everyone (especially not by stabwound, your assistant), but i can get my job done, and i am honest, and by accusing me of things, you are proving yourself to be dishonest. So who knows dako, this time you may get lucky! If I do, it would only be a loss to the players, because I dont think you can find one person that honestly believes that i dont want distension more then anyone else.

[Stabwound]

So cheese got lanc, gj, but is this the image you want your ops portraying in front of 70 players? The kid can't control himself, has a terrible attitude, and gets mad at the drop of a hat.

Not to mention he constantly tries to trick people into speccing or exiting the game while he's waiting in queue to play. "Press F11 to unlock Lancaster!" or "Escape-Q to get bonus RP" kind of crap. Very nice behavior. :fear:

[Vehicle]

Cheese!> YES
Cheese!> YASD
Cheese!> ASRKLUHASDKL
Cheese!> ASDF
McVicar> unlocked levi
Shock Ther> fucking specced
DaKo> cheese
Cheese!> I
McVicar> cool
Cheese!> DID
Cheese!> IT
Cheese!> I
HandofDeat> diff teams again
Cheese!> DID
Cheese!> IT
Shock Ther> 191 minutes played
FREE PLAY for the next 3:00. Rules: Flags worth no points; goals earn RP.
DaKo> you shouldnt have gotten it cheese
Cheese!> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Sketch_hs> gdamn
HandofDeat> i think it's a team balancing thing flion
Cheese!> FUCK YES
Cheese!> SUCK IT
Cheese!> SUCK IT LONG
Viruk> streak 54!!
DaKo> cheese stfu kid
Cheese!> SUCK IT HARD

So cheese got lanc, gj, but is this the image you want your ops portraying in front of 70 players? The kid can't control himself, has a terrible attitude, and gets mad at the drop of a hat.

Somebody's ridin' my style

[dako]

Cheese!> YES
Cheese!> YASD
Cheese!> ASRKLUHASDKL
Cheese!> ASDF
McVicar> unlocked levi
Shock Ther> fucking specced
DaKo> cheese
Cheese!> I
McVicar> cool
Cheese!> DID
Cheese!> IT
Cheese!> I
HandofDeat> diff teams again
Cheese!> DID
Cheese!> IT
Shock Ther> 191 minutes played
FREE PLAY for the next 3:00. Rules: Flags worth no points; goals earn RP.
DaKo> you shouldnt have gotten it cheese
Cheese!> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Sketch_hs> gdamn
HandofDeat> i think it's a team balancing thing flion
Cheese!> FUCK YES
Cheese!> SUCK IT
Cheese!> SUCK IT LONG
Viruk> streak 54!!
DaKo> cheese stfu kid
Cheese!> SUCK IT HARD

So cheese got lanc, gj, but is this the image you want your ops portraying in front of 70 players? The kid can't control himself, has a terrible attitude, and gets mad at the drop of a hat.

[Vergilius]

Request about shark streaks: would it be possible to make the streak bonus for sharks a little higher then for other ships? It's very rare to get one (especially with the out of base bug, which accounts for like 1/3rd of all kills for me) so when i actually get one, id like a bigger reward then the 16 RP i got previous time . I have thought about lamers wanting to tube mine to get that streak, but with all the ways of getting into base (center, sides, warpspots) i dont think that will be too big of a problem. Thoughts?

About shark repping wb shots: only if its really close, otherwise i have no problems. Make sure u arent rushing into the repped bullets, it may look that u got hit through your rep.

Also i'm afraid that with only playing shark ill never unlock the special ships. Not that i intend to play them, but it sure doesnt encourage 'newer' players to play their shark alot.

[Vehicle]

I would like to rescind my previous bitching about the ball game. With the new bases and the fact that you can get a shit ton of RP from it, I've decided I like it.

The line thing is starting to piss me off though. Stop telling me how many people are in the queue and start telling me what number I am in the queue.

Oh and if you get more RP for being the ball scorer than that's just gay because people have been camping the goal like crazy. And you get enough retards on a freq and it becomes practically impossible to score a goal.

[DankNuggets]

repping wb bullets: This is especially annoying when 90% of the people playing wb are horrible laggots, and either play it because they know they can exploit their lag to great benefit, or just have a really unhealthy obsession with the #1 ship. I don't see a way to fix this, besides berating them until they play a different ship. The bullets aren't too much of an issue to repel from people who don't lag like hell, though it is near impossible to rep them from close up if they do lag.

Ball Game: It NEEDS to be so that the person who actually scores the goal doesn't receive any additional RP. They need to get the same RP as everyone else on the team, who's in the correct position to earn it. Several players are either getting in weasel and sitting in the goal, or simply crowding around the ball carrier to steal their goal. This behaviour is completely against the TEAM aspect, and it slows down the ball game (which is already short). Also, I'd re-allow passing through the walls, but maybe not with the radius it had originally.

Queue: It would be great if there was a lvz display akin to the victory/rank up/rearm display for when you're allowed to re-enter the game. The Dbot PM's get lost pretty easily, especially if you have to wait 5-10 minutes in spec to get in.

Lanc/Wzl:I like the fact that they're unique to unlock, but the way to go about unlocking them has created some nuisances. Attempting to get streaks intentionally serves almost no purpose in the game. Yes, killing the other team helps out, but not if you're just camping in some position that doesn't directly protect the flag. Also, I've seen way too many people warp or attach their way out of a tight spot instead of fighting for the flag. The only ship that needs to stay alive in the interest of team>self is the terr. If people want to be lame and sit back and stray random ships, that's their business. But it's annoying to reward and encourage such behavior. Honestly, do you ever envision sharks getting 20 kill streaks? If they did they'd probably be horrible tube campers that didn't help the team. That's not to say it's not possible, but they're not trying to streak (like 90% of wbs on any team). The lanc unlock is much more reasonable, as the only way to get that many kills per minute is to be actively trying to keep/capture the flag, instead of being lame and not helping the team.

I'd suggest a high, multi-ship rank requirement for unlocking the ships for people who'd like to play them without completely devoting a round or two (or several) to just unlocking a ship by getting a 20 kill streak. Keep the streak requirement, but add in say a 20 rank requirement for terr/shark/levi to earn weasel without getting a 20 kill streak. Same could be done for lanc, with the 20 (or w/e) rank requirement for wb/spider/jav. Just a way to allow ppl to play those ships by showing that they're devoted to actually helping the team, and at the same time keep it from being an immediately playable ship for most people.

[Maverick]

That can be fixed by enabling wallpassing with the ball.

?set Soccer:DisableWallPass:0

:P

[Peace_Maker]

Out of curiousity, how much do you play Continuum every day? And what did you do to unlock your weasel?

Refer to post #56.

Ball game: I have noticed a couple of times when a goal is missed with the new goals the ball can get stuck behind a wall and regular ships are unable to reach it, weasel is the only one that can. When playing with 10 or less on a team sometimes no one has weasel available, including myself. I know the goal area is still being developed but I think maybe from the back of the goal somewhere that a full size ship needs to be able to get to the ball. Maybe create a small little maze at the back to make it not worth doing for quick scores but as a way to get to the ball. Another idea is to widen the holes players currently shoot through so a full ship can fit with an auto warp with possession of the ball in that small area. I enjoy the ball game.

for those that missed it.


and weasel is easy to get.
streaks are easy.
my wzl was locked, and i had to get to 20 to unlock it.
i got to 40.

Out of curiousity, how much do you play Continuum every day? And what did you do to unlock your weasel?