Cheats or lag in TWD

[Tone]

There is no form of cheating except SpecHunting. If you lag you are put on spec. If you hack the game it wont match the hex string value anymore and deny.

[bkgmjo]

Trolling or really that naive?

I have worked with a number of devs and staff for the past 15ish years on catching various ways to cheat and only very few of them were catchable by automation. From lagcheat to maphack everything is possible without any errors, being specced or whatever if you just know how. Manually speccing and deciding is the only real way of defense there is, and at the moment most of this does not count for a ban as there is no proof of cheat. Leaves cheaters who do not overdo it roam all over this zone and others untouched.

[Wazzaaa.nl]

hmm hacking? why? if it's so much easier to control your lag/ internet connection
so many ways..
modify your internetspeed settings @ provider page
play on your mobile connection
stream some shit
cablepulling
list goes on and on..
you just gotta find the right lag speed to own the game, its prety sad to play like that but lots of people do it

[BooBiesYaY]

Trolling or really that naive?

I have worked with a number of devs and staff for the past 15ish years on catching various ways to cheat and only very few of them were catchable by automation. From lagcheat to maphack everything is possible without any errors, being specced or whatever if you just know how. Manually speccing and deciding is the only real way of defense there is, and at the moment most of this does not count for a ban as there is no proof of cheat. Leaves cheaters who do not overdo it roam all over this zone and others untouched.

Please, there are little programs everywhere on the web that lets you tinker with settings on any open game program. Cheat engine and other similar programs did exist and were used for years without any enfocement. in 2007 there was the wall hack in TW etc etc..

Online casinos built in programs that allowed them to bypass (back door) settings to rig tables and slots when they wanted in some cases it was shown. And absolute poker was caught with one of their workers rigging so they could rip off high rollers by seeing all the cards using a program.

Two games which I played when I was like 12, Silent Death and SST were both infiltrated by a hacker nicknamed Shz which eventually forced Electronic Arts to shut down one of those games due to no ability to stop his abuse on speed/rotation and other ship related metrics which excluded lag. He also did a ton of those stupid DOS attacks or whatever and crashed the server 100 times a day.

To deny that cheating never existed in TW is like denying that the sun rises and sets every day. You cannot deny whats already been documented. Nobody was really banned, there was no transparency really. No discipline of the top squads back then nor now.

So why in gods name would you expect your leagues to remain competetive if you cant even identify or enforce the most basics of fairness over the past 15 years. Thats beyond absurd and laughable. A game cannot remain competetive if theres no fairness or rules that remain constant all the time.

So answer me this. Was racka ever banned? Was sirius ever banned? Were Raspi, Deez Nuts or others ever questioned. The shit went down in THEIR squads or right around them. No because everyones too busy sleeping with each other i guess IDK.

Either way lets drop it. Obviously its a sensitive subject I really didnt mean to get this involved I just saw some signs of it in the real money game the other day and its making a mockery again of things. Nuff said.

[BooBiesYaY]

Trolling or really that naive?

I have worked with a number of devs and staff for the past 15ish years on catching various ways to cheat and only very few of them were catchable by automation. From lagcheat to maphack everything is possible without any errors, being specced or whatever if you just know how. Manually speccing and deciding is the only real way of defense there is, and at the moment most of this does not count for a ban as there is no proof of cheat. Leaves cheaters who do not overdo it roam all over this zone and others untouched.

Blizzard cant even stop the asian gold farmers from using tools to let them fly in the air, under the ground and speed up attacks to where they fire 100 attacks in one second to "power level".. its actuall kind of funny. And they have like 5000 developers working around the clock presumably lol.

[Crescent Seal]

when i was a pure newbie it always felt like people were lag cheating. but the truth is that there was a massive skill gap because the good players have great ship control and experience. so it may seem like they are cheating but in truth they are just outplaying you. i agree there are some obvious laggers like brokenfist and other subtle ones like raspi who manage to shoot 30000mph bullets while flying backwards but i believe this is euro lag. cant completely rule out cheating in this game though because people like vys, apok, delectable, etc have admitted to it in the past.

[BooBiesYaY]

when i was a pure newbie it always felt like people were lag cheating. but the truth is that there was a massive skill gap because the good players have great ship control and experience. so it may seem like they are cheating but in truth they are just outplaying you. i agree there are some obvious laggers like brokenfist and other subtle ones like raspi who manage to shoot 30000mph bullets while flying backwards but i believe this is euro lag. cant completely rule out cheating in this game though because people like vys, apok, delectable, etc have admitted to it in the past.

I know what your saying but lag isnt the same as some of the stuff that has been going on for like 12 years on this game. And i can tell you this, its completely obvious whoever runs this show is involved, complicit, and/or turning the blind eye. The fact that Racka, the poster child for cheaters is running the #2 guild in DD land is a joke. That itself shows you hes so connected with mods on this little game for whatever reasons, that theres no breaking up this little circus show clique that mods desperately deny exists. That must be why the league has had a monopoly for 10 years with a few main squads.

Euro lag is fine. Lag limits exist. Even I lag over 10% ploss sometimes and am unable to play in games im instantly specced even in pub. What some of these guys did, and still do, is not lag. Its using either programs externally to tweak their ship play, or are outright using techniques to tweak ship play like wazaaa suggested but not as simplistically.

Racka shouldve been banned for 20 years by now and its a joke. The entire division is a joke. The cheating issue Ive been advocating on this game unsuccessfully for over 10 years. Mods dont listen, Half are stupid, the other half are INVOLVED. They probably designed or distributed them to their friends. who do you think is friends with all the names you jus mentioned and racka, deez nuts, raspi, and 50 others who know the deal.

And when all these players admitted they've cheated for years and years, and many more you havent named. none have been watched, banned, etc. Nope, instead they run the top 4 squads in the league.

This game will never change. Dont have the intelligence, manpower, resolve. you'd need elliot spitzer or something and for a 2-d game with 800 players nobody really gives a F since 2000. Thats the reality.

But i mean thanks for the good points u made.

[bkgmjo]

After all, isn't the fight against cheating rather useless when a simple DoS (don't even need a distributed one) can kill the server, the database/bot server responds to packets like you are sysop and a change of MacID, IP, and all the other checked values is a matter of seconds? ;-)

I'd just say stop paying people for winning games when cheating is everywhere and use it for features that improve the game instead of pointlessly giving it away.

[Shaddowknight]

Theres a few reasons lag is worse now actually...

First: You didn't have 7 other devices tapping into your connection. It was just you, and anyone who decided to give you a phone call.
Second: Other apps we don't even think about. Windows and many programs update automatically. Even small things can cause some minor lag. Teamspeak gives me some noticable FPS spikes on my screen. The Pandora Desktop app makes me spike like crazy when it is loading a new song. Again with auto-updates, Cell phone apps are usually set to update automatically by default. I can't help but think the antique software that is Continuum and the subgame server software aren't to blame either. The built-in file downloading is so horrible that it leads me to beleive the packet-sending/recieving processes are also not able to improve with the hardware of our machines.

Third: Hopeone is horrible.

[bkgmjo]

First and Second: High Priority is the magic, in router for network and in windows for CPU usage if you experience problems with it. It is hard to spread this though if not auto-set by an installer. Download speeds are good the way they are. If the limit wasn't there we'd have Jab doing awesome looking 150 Mb .lvz and complaints about the antique engine not managing the graphics and crashing players machines :P Also using wireless devices of whatever kind for your computer is technical suicide anyways unless your computer experience is limited to browsing local picture collections. Subgame however is actually pretty stable for its age and can handle a pretty high number of connections and data, with some minor messing with it I could get around 3k botlike clients into a single arena and still have 0-10ms responses, although the VM got to its knees. No clue if a normal client wouldn't die when faced with such a swarm though.

Third: Full agreement. Like the wordplay.

[2pac]

I got banned for using CE in a event arena, I wouldn't use it in twd or else I'd be deemed a cheater which I don't in matchs cause I just own these kids without cheats, fact of the matter is there are cheaters who lag to win in dd games its obvious staff doesn't so shit. Yeah we complain in chat but that's all we do, usually we win but I've faced many cheaters which still play this game while I eat a bullet I get banned for 3 months when these guys lag continuously and have !lagouts in place. I understand your frustrations hto, I been around for a min and seen many laggots. But to be honest racka got no staff connections if he did I wouldn't be banned right now.

[Jones]

-raspi hasn't been playing for years. he has eu-lag but he is good at this game, everyone who has played with or against him know this.

-delectable is drunk all the time so he has no clue how to cheat these days. he hasn't been active in years.

-apok, should send me some pics of that player 'kitty'. tia (thanks in advance, courtesy of ghb)

-have you ever dueled vs sirius when he had 10ms?

-racka has never displayed the mental capacity to be some kind of puppetmaster for staff. he also logs in about twice a month, beats up a bunch of newbies in twdd. this explains why rifle is #2 on ladders. bonus: im pretty sure people would have realized he used cheats in twl a while back when he dominated a few games.

-deez nuts is a 8============D

People have used cheats and some are prolly still cablepulling or whatever, the worst i ever encountered was israeli-f1 ace. However, the reason why people lag more than ever was already explained by shaddowknight a bit, and now people use wlans (i do) and whatnot.

Newbies have always made some terrible excuse why they are bad. lag is of course a huge factor, but why the flying fuck would people as great as i feel the need to use cheats against pub-newbies and beam?

once, i got reported for using an aimbot. it was pretty cute, i was 14 years old at the time.

tldr; 99% of the people who "cheat" are actually just better than you

[BooBiesYaY]

-raspi hasn't been playing for years. he has eu-lag but he is good at this game, everyone who has played with or against him know this.

-delectable is drunk all the time so he has no clue how to cheat these days. he hasn't been active in years.

-apok, should send me some pics of that player 'kitty'. tia (thanks in advance, courtesy of ghb)

-have you ever dueled vs sirius when he had 10ms?

-racka has never displayed the mental capacity to be some kind of puppetmaster for staff. he also logs in about twice a month, beats up a bunch of newbies in twdd. this explains why rifle is #2 on ladders. bonus: im pretty sure people would have realized he used cheats in twl a while back when he dominated a few games.

-deez nuts is a 8============D

People have used cheats and some are prolly still cablepulling or whatever, the worst i ever encountered was israeli-f1 ace. However, the reason why people lag more than ever was already explained by shaddowknight a bit, and now people use wlans (i do) and whatnot.

Newbies have always made some terrible excuse why they are bad. lag is of course a huge factor, but why the flying fuck would people as great as i feel the need to use cheats against pub-newbies and beam?

once, i got reported for using an aimbot. it was pretty cute, i was 14 years old at the time.

tldr; 99% of the people who "cheat" are actually just better than you

First of all, a connection that doesnt conform with the norms on a game is arguably a "cheat" by nature. It gives them an edge or advantage if its not caught by lag limits or ploss limits. It distorts play on other peoples screens who conform with those norms. An example is if an enemy ship's rotation turns 180 degrees in 5% of the normal time it should take and shoots and kills you. Maybe there should be "Stability" limits which measure rotation and other things to prevent what you speak of. Or if theres "jumpiness" thats not ping/ploss related then measure that too.

Further, you first said no cheats exist now your downplaying several cheaters that have been named and blaming "cablepulling" or other non-external programs. Get your story straight. I named those people because they all ran squads in the past where cheating was rampant, or took part themselves.

Its not my responsibility to identify or prove how cheating occurs. Since mods have done nothing to enforce or prevent it in the past, its THEIR fault. Gaming 101, rule #1, no cheating and nobody has edges in gameplay (within reason). If you cant enforce the first rule of gaming dont bother running a game.

Does cheating still occur? Without a doubt yes. Just from eyewitnessing some players you cannot chock it up to simple lag or other technicals, in lag limited arenas especially.

The story of the last 15 years when cheating was rampant was the same old nonsense your stating Jones, "they are just better than you". Granted half are, the other half are just better at cheating or bypassing lag limits.

And BTW Israeli (a friend of mine) didnt cheat in a manner your even alleging. What that bozo did was he kept pressing his interrupt button on his modem which made him lose connection and restore it in 4 seconds each time. If he did that in the leagues he wouldve been specced INSTANTLY by bots. He did it in gatez and things like that for fun. He was banned for it once for a year or something. Hes a moron but hes not cheating to defraud others in leagues or anything and hes a nice guy fwiw.

Get your house in order mods, if you run the leagues. Maybe you should start eye-speccing people like LOVE suggests to get this obvious problem in order. And stop staff from mingling uncomfortably with the top 4 leagues.

[BooBiesYaY]

I got banned for using CE in a event arena, I wouldn't use it in twd or else I'd be deemed a cheater which I don't in matchs cause I just own these kids without cheats, fact of the matter is there are cheaters who lag to win in dd games its obvious staff doesn't so shit. Yeah we complain in chat but that's all we do, usually we win but I've faced many cheaters which still play this game while I eat a bullet I get banned for 3 months when these guys lag continuously and have !lagouts in place. I understand your frustrations hto, I been around for a min and seen many laggots. But to be honest racka got no staff connections if he did I wouldn't be banned right now.

Yeah well im tired of these goddamn cheaters "lagging to win" through whatever processes while staff sits there with their goddamn stupid faces and or complicity. I dont condone your CE use but still i think theres worse out there bro.

For the good of the game, the reputation of the leagues and general events (since TW consists half of events or matches), its time to end this nonsense.

If someone is really not cheating but their connection is so unstable that all the symptoms look like he/she is cheating and its not being caught by lag limits/bots, he should be MANUALLY specced promptly and investigated.

But idc. Sometimes, I try way too hard to seek perfection when i should probably just let things just inch along status quo.

Are you currently banned right now pac? Sorry to hear that I miss your terring ur the best lt aside from a few, but then again with current settings on the lev.. ur not mising much lol

[BooBiesYaY]

"and now people use wlans (i do) and whatnot."

If I used WLAN (which I have many times), id be specced in a whole 2 seconds if i even got near TWDD or even pub sometimes. And I have been which is why id never play on that.

"-have you ever dueled vs sirius when he had 10ms?"

Whats that have to do with cheating? I never said sirius wasnt good, I just said he cheated a lot as early as 2001. Why would i want to duel that trailer trash reject. His personality is ridiculous this guy has no appeal whatsoever. His pony tail is probably too tight restricting the blood flow maybe..

"-delectable is drunk all the time so he has no clue how to cheat these days. he hasn't been active in years."

i liked him. he was funny. but thats not relevant. the point is why would you naturally assume no cheating is or has been occuring lately if you admit there has been in the past. Shouldn't it be the other way around? lol. You assume cheating is occuring until its properly addressed, punished or purged.

"-racka has never displayed the mental capacity to be some kind of puppetmaster for staff."

if this guy aint cheating now, he surely did in the past a billion times. and if hes not cheating now, his connection is so ridiculous that if bots arent speccing him instantly theres something wrong big time with things.

this made me lol though. but surely someone likes him enough to tolerate this fool for so long.

"99% of the people who "cheat" are actually just better than you"

are you kidding? you know how bad i am at dueling im horrible. but lucky for me im not looking to put [can duel in leagues on Trench Wars] on future job applications or bragging to my friends on the food stamp programs who watch Wendy Williams all day, which obviously some find a good enough reason to engage in abuse.