Let's discuss changes that could be made to the base for after TWL

[Jeansi]

Originally posted by Stabwound
If the sharks are good enough, this chance will never arise.

Even if sharks are good at timing there will come a time when a shark is forced to rep too early and there is the chance. Breaking the cram just needs more teamwork and pre-practised formations and moves. And most of all timing.

[TopGod]

IDEA:
"You must play 4 different ships in TWLB."

Think about it. A lot. I think this solution is the most "fair". You're not limiting the number of spiders, or of any ship. Its vague enough that it still gives you a lot of manuverability in your line up without really restricting you. You can play 5 spiders if you really wanted to.

[Galleleo]

Originally posted by TopGod
IDEA:
"You must play 4 different ships in TWLB."

Think about it. A lot. I think this solution is the most "fair". You're not limiting the number of spiders, or of any ship. Its vague enough that it still gives you a lot of manuverability in your line up without really restricting you. You can play 5 spiders if you really wanted to.

First off all I like this idea. because i think the 5 spiders are pretty boring. (meaning 1 terr, 2 sharks, 5 spiders ). I like it more when a jav or something plays aswell.

And I agree with jason, the cramming is boring. and I always thought of it as boring. Even when you are doing the cram its boring. so not attacking the cram. but being the cram is boring aswell.

[arrogance]

Cramming sucks. God punished us for using it by beating our squad into a bloody pulp.

Less cram == more fr battles == more fun.

Down with the cram!

[Sufficient]

Originally posted by Jason
We ALL know we're sick to fucking death of the cram, with the exception of Spastic because they are shit without it.

You should've watched our game with WR (?) I believe. This was a bit back in a TWD game. We sometimes line to the amusement of other teams and ourselves. Our lining isn't as good as our cramming, but it does the job.

Edit: I looked up the Spastic TWD history and I think I found what I am referring to (I believe some ppl on WR remember it too). Check out May 13. There are 2 games versus WR. The first one is with cram, the second with lining (I admit that we used a lil cramming, but the majority was indeed lining).

[arrogance]

Originally posted by Sufficient
You should've watched our game with WR (?) I believe. This was a bit back in a TWD game. We sometimes line to the amusement of other teams and ourselves. Our lining isn't as good as our cramming, but it does the job.

Edit: I looked up the Spastic TWD history and I think I found what I am referring to (I believe some ppl on WR remember it too). Check out May 13. There are 2 games versus WR. The first one is with cram, the second with lining (I admit that we used a lil cramming, but the majority was indeed lining).

WR sucks, wtf does this prove!?

[parallelogram]

i have a suggestion for how to encourage stability within the league but i see no point in posting it since i will shortly be banned and my posts will be deleted

[Mayo Inc.]

But your spirit will never die, and you'll be back, and probably have several names registered.

I honestly don't think the cram game is that boring. Just because it's a challenging and may even be a bit unfair at one time or another, nothing's better than busting up a cram and watching the team you kicked out stuggle to get back into the base. Crammers aren't the best cram breakers.

[brookus]

Originally posted by Mayo Inc.
Just because a basing technique becomes dominant you wanna change the map? Yeah, I don't like cramming, but I don't think we should change the base. How about experimenting with whats availble and trying to break the cram, rather than changing it so it's not as affective. Honestly what kind of basers are you guys.

As Shade as mentioned before, the cram capitalizes on a flaw in the base design. Puting seven ships at a super-small chokepoint almost completely seals it off defensively. The change in the map isn't a huge one and it may not make a bit of difference, but it would be a good thing to test. The design change would attempt to re-balance offense and defense. Defense has the upper-hand now, just as adding an additional entrance would shift the upper-hand to offense.

As someone else mentioned, any changes should certainly be tested in ?go base or twbd first.

llater,
Tony

[ZeUs!!]

What would be really cool is a normal sized map with two entrances

[Troll King]

Like many sports, basing features offence going up against defence. Fairly simple concept, right? Well, the excitement in many of those sports is the ongoing conflict between them.

You usually have two situations: a) the offence strikes and the defence has to adapt itself to fend off the attack or b) the defence gets settled in and the offence has to find a way to get past it.

Sports tend to go in cycles, alternating between those two modes. The best during each stage of the cycle was usually the ones who were best at that particular mode at that point in time. Once again, fairly straight forward.

Here's the kicker: while both modes have their supporters, the general sense is that the first one (where offence is the driving force and defence forced to adapt) tends to be more exciting than the latter.

You can see this in sports like hockey where systemic defences bog down the action, or in racing where rules limit the amount of passing. Of course, the old adage that defence wins championships holds true, but that holds true no matter which stage you're in. I'm not saying that defence sucks. Far from it. The problem though is that when defence is the driving force, things get passive but when the defence is reactive, things are more entertaining.

This theory holds true for most sports. In TW however, more often than not, defence is the driving force. Because of the way the game is set up right now (whether because of rules, settings or base design), offence is contually forced to be reactive. Maybe we should be looking for ways to open things up offensively a bit more.

[Randedl]

the nhl has the problem with the trap clogging up the neutral zone and making the game boring; they are looking at removing the red line to take this facet out of the game.

if there is a way a game can be made more exciting, i think we should look into it. going through another season like this where a team crams their way to success (go minnesota wild) would just be boring to watch.

there was alot of hype about twlb going into this season, as there always is, cuz those basers just love talking. anyways, the interest that is left is just a shadow of what it was.

[Mayo Inc.]

Right, which is why I'm saying that there doesn't need to be any big dramatic change to the base, since eventually offenses will adapt. Who remembers when line was the only offense you'd see and shark mines in the fr entrance, where a spider would never be seen?

[za gophar]

i have a pretty cool idea to tweak the beginning of the game. have the two safe zones have a somewhat narrow tube coming out of them that is horizontal... and it connects the tubes. the tubes should be about 10 tiles wide. in the middle of the map, the tubes would have a another tube that leads up to the entrance of base. it would look like an upside down "T." this would make the two teams encounter each other in a tunnel battle before the start, and i think tunnel battles are pretty sweet. nothing to hide behind but your own team mates, and only 1 way to shoot.

[ZeUs!!]

Originally posted by parallelogram
i have a suggestion for how to encourage stability within the league but i see no point in posting it since i will shortly be banned and my posts will be deleted

Really can't be arsed to delete them all, does anyone take offence to them?