Specials in TWL-B

[Mythril]

Someone bring back nockm's roof jav to destroy Ease. No rockets necessary.

[Vys]

Domi in basejav was nasty, Da1andonly too.

[Rab]

Thundermare

[Pressure]

http://twd.trenchwars.org/profile/64245/stats

Missa averages 6-9 in 13 rounds of DD

http://twd.trenchwars.org/showgame/90100916

Basebirds for the first time in her life with new terr settings and gets 6 teks

[Falconeer]

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Missa averages 6-9 in 13 rounds of DD

http://twd.trenchwars.org/showgame/90100916

Basebirds for the first time in her life with new terr settings and gets 6 teks

When was the last time a wb was seen in base? 2013? Could be terriers are not used to them...

If warbirds were always in every league, even before terr changes, let me know.

What tek amounts were wb's getting before?

[Rab]

Are we just saying that Nipple Nibbler feeds wbs?

[ogron]

I think the timing in making this post about specials after Ease slams people and after the season starts is interesting, but I do think specials are butt.

They just ruin the flow of the game, and punish terrs for being aggressive and actually doing stuff. It's like a Chief Utsav wet dream.

I think specials make basing worse, and disproportionately affect lower tier squads, as higher tier teams with 5 spiders are probably better than 4 spiders and a WB.

Then again, I also think teams with entire lines full of 130ms euro lagcheats is blatantly unfair and I've heard multiple sharks with 3-4 LB titles say they just rep ignore for days and make it almost impossible to stop them, and no one is doing anything about that.

[Pressure]

No one noticed the oversight because Ease first started exclusively using wb in BDs on March 21st, days before the first TWLB game. Conveniently too late for anyone to take real notice and make changes.

[ogron]

He's been doing this for years on and off, though.

He didn't "just" start.

He played pretty much the entire TWDT-B 2014 season in WB like he is doing right now and dominated hard with tons of teks.

The new settings have nothing to do with his dominance, he's been doing that in Warbird whenever he plays it in leagues...


Week 1 -- Ease, 11 Teks

Result of Power vs. Unleash: 15:00 - 2:46
,---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----.
| K | D | TK | Points | FT | TeK | RPD | Rating | LO |
| ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
| Power / 367 | 244 | 10 | 90601 | 9 | 19 | 334 | 93887 | 0 |
+------------------------' | | | | | | | | |
| a2m 19 | 62 | 3 | 6611 | 6 | 2 | 2.7 | -1689 | 0 |
| bad game 69 | 23 | 0 | 14288 | 1 | 1 | | 19357 | 0 |
| Ease 51 | 37 | 0 | 12561 | 0 | 11 | | 12435 | 0 |
| fram 74 | 29 | 0 | 16753 | 1 | 0 | | 18669 | 0 |
| NL>Trigger 29 | 1 | 0 | 9380 | 1 | 1 | | 25233 | 0 |
| Ogron 61 | 25 | 0 | 12775 | 0 | 0 | | 14507 | 0 |
| Shaddowknight 44 | 12 | 0 | 10824 | 0 | 2 | | 9364 | 0 |
| zidane 20 | 55 | 7 | 7409 | 0 | 2 | 3.0 | -3989 | 0 |
+---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
| ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
| Unleash / 234 | 370 | 3 | 13920 | 8 | 1 | 374 | -9023 | 1 |
+------------------------' | | | | | | | | |
| Beasty 39 | 49 | 0 | 2271 | 0 | 0 | | 103 | 1 |
| Commodo 2 | 67 | 1 | 209 | 2 | 0 | 2.8 | -30 | 0 |
| Dutch Baser 49 | 45 | 0 | 2442 | 2 | 0 | | 936 | 0 |
| Geio 38 | 41 | 0 | 2317 | 0 | 0 | | 233 | 0 |
| InFrArEd 39 | 24 | 0 | 2162 | 2 | 0 | | 1279 | 0 |
| nanto 10 | 10 | 0 | 247 | 0 | 0 | | 21 | 0 |
| Rab 9 | 17 | 0 | 1564 | 0 | 1 | | -11878 | 0 |
| tj hazuki 41 | 47 | 0 | 1996 | 0 | 0 | | 459 | 0 |
| WAR 7 | 70 | 2 | 712 | 2 | 0 | 2.7 | -146 | 0 |
`---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----'
Power wins this game!
MVP: NL>Trigger!

Week 2 -- Ease 11 Teks

Result of Power vs. Tool: 15:00 - 7:15
,---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----.
| K | D | TK | Points | FT | TeK | RPD | Rating | LO |
| ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
| Power / 415 | 395 | 7 | 88997 | 17 | 16 | 505 | 78143 | 5 |
+------------------------' | | | | | | | | |
| a2m 8 | 86 | 2 | 4259 | 10 | 0 | 2.9 | -979 | 0 |
| Clausy 21 | 2 | 0 | 6483 | 1 | 1 | | 8958 | 0 |
| Ease 56 | 50 | 0 | 11715 | 0 | 11 | | 9489 | 0 |
| ffe 64 | 51 | 0 | 13557 | 0 | 1 | | 6604 | 2 |
| fram 10 | 9 | 0 | 4088 | 1 | 0 | | 238 | 1 |
| paradise 77 | 42 | 0 | 13860 | 0 | 0 | | 15112 | 0 |
| Shaddowknight 78 | 36 | 0 | 13566 | 0 | 1 | | 17076 | 2 |
| Solace 89 | 33 | 0 | 15697 | 3 | 0 | | 24060 | 0 |
| zidane 12 | 86 | 5 | 5772 | 2 | 2 | 3.0 | -2415 | 0 |
+---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
| ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
| Tool / 388 | 418 | 3 | 41551 | 17 | 2 | 429 | 7481 | 1 |
+------------------------' | | | | | | | | |
| aprix 13 | 75 | 0 | 2544 | 6 | 0 | 2.8 | -153 | 0 |
| Jack 73 | 53 | 0 | 7339 | 1 | 0 | | 6381 | 0 |
| JAtt 72 | 42 | 0 | 6844 | 1 | 0 | | 6433 | 1 |
| M E 34 | 31 | 0 | 3740 | 0 | 0 | | 1271 | 0 |
| Mean Gene 7 | 77 | 2 | 2025 | 6 | 0 | 2.8 | -448 | 0 |
| megaman89 77 | 48 | 1 | 7535 | 0 | 1 | | 5386 | 0 |
| rj 7 | 21 | 0 | 1267 | 0 | 0 | | -280 | 0 |
| warportal 34 | 16 | 0 | 3481 | 0 | 1 | | -16118 | 0 |
| Zizzo 71 | 55 | 0 | 6776 | 3 | 0 | | 5009 | 0 |
`---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----'
Power wins this game!
MVP: Solace!

Week 3 -- Ease, 9 Teks

Result of Power vs. dun vs me: 15:00 - 13:42
,---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----.
| K | D | TK | Points | FT | TeK | RPD | Rating | LO |
| ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
| Power / 530 | 563 | 8 | 91460 | 15 | 12 | 610 | 66362 | 2 |
+------------------------' | | | | | | | | |
| a2m 24 | 102 | 2 | 5820 | 6 | 2 | 2.9 | -1277 | 1 |
| bwp 89 | 66 | 0 | 14791 | 1 | 0 | | 16690 | 1 |
| Clausy 30 | 8 | 0 | 8362 | 0 | 0 | | -11267 | 0 |
| Ease 68 | 66 | 0 | 12146 | 1 | 9 | | 10494 | 0 |
| ffe 108 | 69 | 0 | 16339 | 1 | 1 | | 20757 | 0 |
| fram 107 | 89 | 0 | 14395 | 2 | 0 | | 14959 | 0 |
| NL>Trigger 93 | 58 | 0 | 15304 | 3 | 0 | | 18297 | 0 |
| zidane 11 | 105 | 6 | 4303 | 1 | 0 | 3.0 | -2291 | 0 |
+---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
| ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
| dun vs me / 555 | 541 | 11 | 83230 | 15 | 8 | 614 | 50065 | 0 |
+------------------------' | | | | | | | | |
| Cintra 44 | 14 | 0 | 9041 | 0 | 2 | | -22770 | 0 |
| Davy 19 | 108 | 3 | 4825 | 3 | 1 | 2.8 | -1852 | 0 |
| Henry Saari 87 | 43 | 0 | 12582 | 0 | 0 | | 18047 | 0 |
| Kate Upton 139 | 47 | 0 | 17256 | 3 | 1 | | 43574 | 0 |
| Mythril 12 | 108 | 3 | 4554 | 8 | 1 | 2.9 | -1432 | 0 |
| okyo 69 | 53 | 0 | 8690 | 1 | 0 | | 6218 | 0 |
| racer 80 | 85 | 0 | 11350 | 0 | 0 | | 2410 | 0 |
| Rough 19 | 14 | 0 | 3019 | 0 | 1 | | 525 | 0 |
| turban 86 | 69 | 5 | 11913 | 0 | 2 | | 5345 | 0 |
`---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----'
Power wins this game!
MVP: Kate Upton!

I could go on, but there's the first 3 weeks of TWDT-B 2014.

WB isn't more powerful, the settings have nothing to do with it, these posts are entirely based on just Ease dominating, as he has before, in Warbird.

I've hated specials in base and said it loudly and often for years, and I'd be happy to see them gone, but the timing of these opinions is specious as hell.

Specials have always been trash, and WB has always been effective in the right hands.

[Pressure]

You can?t keep going around crafting stats into a storyline to support your agenda and thinking your opinion is fact. I?ve played Ease in wb countless times previously and never made posts like this. The terr changes make WB even easier than it was before. Hence why everyone on Thunder is supporting it adamantly.

My post is more relevant now than prior years because as turban said the lack of a weakening of wb was sadly overlooked and a bad oversight.

[midoent]

While it is indeed frustrating to terr vs specials... isn't it a good thing that fighter ships other than spiders are used?

[With Ease]

No one noticed the oversight because Ease first started exclusively using wb in BDs on March 21st, days before the first TWLB game. Conveniently too late for anyone to take real notice and make changes.

Way off. You're forgetting I was playing TWD on the name "wolven creed." I played warbird exclusively since February 28 at the latest, mainly because the standard 5 spider lineup is extremely boring. Also, I had zero intention of playing warbird in TWLB, but after your ridiculous tirade it's the only thing I want to play now.

I should also add I have zero sympathy for you. I didn't see you complaining over the years about one-hit-kill bursts. Your argument that specials take the skill out of basing or make it a joke is your opinion. God forbid you actually needing to pay attention and react to things.

[Pressure]

https://forums.trenchwars.com/forum/...63#post1221563

how come this game wasnt mentioned from TWDT 2014

[Missa]

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Missa averages 6-9 in 13 rounds of DD

http://twd.trenchwars.org/showgame/90100916

Basebirds for the first time in her life with new terr settings and gets 6 teks

Firstly, you're comparing AK/AD in TWDD to TEKs in TWBD, which is comparing apples to potatoes. Not even oranges. Potatoes. I am a warbird that hasn't played with a warbird squad since 2009. I know *how* to play the ship pretty well, but playing in TWDD with a group of basers that mainly base/jav is an insanely different experience than playing with a team of warbirds, and that is insanely different than playing in a base game with great spiders. That isn't saying I'm good, because I'm not. But I know the ship through and through and can make some decent shots and manage energy, which is critical against spiders. Plus, it is an easy ship to learn if you spend time with it. There are easy ways to counter the wb in base, you just aren't good enough to do so, it seems. Also, TEKs seem heavily dependent on our spiders, the enemy team's spiders, the enemy team's sharks, terr ports, how the terr plays... a lot goes into it. You should know that. You aren't new here.

You're using a game where we had Spastic's top LB spiders (and easily some of the absolute top in the zone) in to support me in a game vs a terr who hasn't logged on the game at all in ages. You tried your damndest to duel me, but you just fell short many times. That's not because anything is overpowered, that's because your spiders (and you) didn't know what to do with a warbird in. The second you guys put Cape in, I was completely useless (no surprise there), almost to the point of ship changing. Your problem is that you need to get better against the ship or teach your spider lines to deal with wbs. Your opinion is also a little skewed when you're a pretty crappy spider and expected me to be absolutely brain dead in every ship, but I'm not.

One of your other points of reference is Ease. Ease is a really good warbird and baser. That's what you're crying about. A good baser. In base. In a ship he plays well in. Either figure it out and improve your spider line and teach them to counter him, or accept the fact that you're not that great of a spider or terr anything else and move on with your life. Your spiders need to control the specials and be good enough to kill whoever is in the special ship. If the ship was too strong, every team would run with one.

You'll figure it out. That being said, I agree with letting people involved in LB vote on keeping specials in upcoming LB seasons. It should be up to the people that will be playing in the LB games whether or not they stay. Some people here are making excellent points. These were not excellent points.

[Pressure]

If the ship was too strong, every team would run with one.

This argument keeps getting thrown around as if the new ship settings have been around for longer than a month (they haven't) to influence such a game-wide change in basing strategy. The changes are new and Thunder is the first squad to attempt to exploit them. That's why not every team is "running with one" and why WB hasn't been used in the past, but is being used now.