Tie Breaker solution-Continued

[Violence]

awesome u are a fucking joke rofl. U say the head to head has to many flaws?
lets look at the flaws for the +/-

1) Rapid has same schedule as grapevine except that rapid plays SHRIEK and gv plays MAMBO
2) One squad wins a game by forfeit and wins another game where only 3 people show up while the other squad plays every game 5v5.
3) One squad plays shriek but then they dissolve and the next squad plays -=!Chinatown!=- which has taken shrieks place and wins 50-15

Now lets look at the flaws for head to head:

1) 1 game isnt enough to see who is the better team because one team didnt have ther best players.

Seems like head to head is better. In real sports it often comes down to one game and thats how it should be. +/- can completely screw over a team as it did with us. We beat gv and pirates and we had to play shriek which was a loss and gv got 2 play mambo which they won( no offense against mambo but we probably coulda won).

To all you guys that say WHY DID U BRING IT UP NOW?
Maybe because i dont read over the rules which probably goes for most of u, and i assumed that head to head is clearly the more logical thing to do, but unfortunately the ops fail to understand that.

My Request is a 3 team mini tournament double elimination thing in week 11 between Rapid Pirates and Grapevine.

This request most likely wont be granted.

[Escalate]

using +/- to break a tie between teams that played eachother is stupid.

its even more stupid in a league where you get an auto +50 for a forfeit win, that just destroys the whole system right there. along with the other stuff mentioned above, it could also be pointed out that teams usually dont play their best lineups in the games they expect to win easily, and using +/- benefits teams that go for blowout wins vs newb squads and encourages people to not spread around the playing time.

of course there is no perfect tiebreaker, but i dont know how anyone could think that accumulating kill/death stats for a season with the massive amount of variables created by unequal schedules, forfeiting teams, etc, could possibly be a better tiebreaker than the result of the game between the two teams.

the key benefit of head-to-head as a tiebreaker, is that it puts team's destinies in their own hands. if you lost to the team you are tied with, then YOU LOST your way out of the spot. if you use +/- you get a bunch of bullshit where such and such team got a +50 forfeit win here, or played a 5v3 here, or played whipe instead of shriek...and someone gets screwed by something completely out of their control.
i guess rules are rules, but it should be changed for next season imo.

[Mitch]

The rules were set +/-. Figure it out. If you want to do well you should play your best and than the rules will benefit you. It does matter by how much you won over other squads in comparing two teams.

[Bob (SRB)]

violence and escalate are completely right. I don't understand how ANYONE could dispute that. It would be nice if the ops set things right, but that's probably a slim chance and rapid will be screwed out of their rightful playoff spot

[nemodot]

Enough with the "the rules are set you should have looked at it in the beginning of the season blah blah blah" bullshit. Can you tell us something we don't know? Can you contribute a healthy argument to the discussion? We're trying to correct things for next season here, so quit that shit already

Mitch you say things that have already been refuted with a good argument. The way things are now, it should NOT matter how much you win by over other squads, because of that 50-0 forfeit BS and the fact that there are different divisions/conferences. If you're gonna post, put some thought into it

Escalate, you deserve a <3. Finally someone with a brain!

[nemodot]

This is after the 2004 TWL Championship Game

Nerd on Squad A: aw man we sucked that game, i had a stomache ache and my ugly gf kept bothering me
Other Nerd of Squad A: yeah Pusher we didnt have our best player either aw man.
Captain of Squad A: But Pusher we beat all those newbie squads like Mambo and Elenya and Tanked by so much! Our +/- is like 300, especially with all those forfeit wins. Can we still have the trophy?

Pusher: Well since your +/- is SO IMPRESSIVE, it's okay that you lost the championship game. Like Awesome says, 1 game doesn't mean anything! We have to take into account the whole season! Here you go, congrats TWL CHAMPS!

COOL!!

[Mitch]

This isn't TWD. This is TWL where if you don't bring your best and do the best you can in it, it's going to bite your ass later in the season. Starters should play, or if your squad is well off enough it can put in whoever it wants. Don't sit here and bitch about your team not making the playoffs because it was the fault of yourself to put shitty line ups or have no-shows.

Keep it on a professional level with professional skills or go down to the "minor league" prestige. TWD is waiting, maybe that league is best suited for you?

[nemodot]

This isn't TWD. This is TWL where if you don't bring your best and do the best you can in it, it's going to bite your ass later in the season. Starters should play, or if your squad is well off enough it can put in whoever it wants. Don't sit here and bitch about your team not making the playoffs because it was the fault of yourself to put shitty line ups or have no-shows.

Keep it on a professional level with professional skills or go down to the "minor league" prestige. TWD is waiting, maybe that league is best suited for you?

that's funny, mitch, because what you just said pretty much backs up what i've been saying all along. Pirates and GV are the ones talking about how their lineups were shitty and whatnot for the games they lost to rapid. They didn't show up for the big games vs rapid, and lost. They cite shitty lineups and bad days, saying that one game shouldnt decide everything. But you're right. If they don't bring their best every time they play, they should suffer the consequences.

Nice job. It looks like the only reason you're here and posting is because you want to argue with me, because you really haven't paid attention to what has been said throughout the two threads, because your post just supported me. good job idiot.

the idiots don't stop coming.

[Bob (SRB)]

mitch got son'd. nemo you're an animal.

[Violence]

rofl mitch, not everyone is as good as -final-. rapidbeat gv and pirates but wont get into playoffs with the same record as them because gv played mambo and we played shriek and gv played tanked 5v4 and we havent had an advantage in any match. does that sound right? u fucking queer.

[Mitch]

Nemo. don't talk shit. You are shit and shit doesn't talk. It sits there and gets raided by flies. You can shut the fuck up, now.

[Violence]

mitch say soemthing regarding the topic that makes sense instead of, "u should have won more games and this wouldnt have happened" u fucking cancer fag.

[Kim]

Anything regarding this topic should have ended or "continued" in the other thread, but I don't see what you're continuing from the other thread other than the fact that your complaint should be noticed in two threads, in the unlikely event that a TWL-OP misses it the first time.

[Crazy Canockout]

I think that no shows and forfeits are just dealt out by the luck of the draw, no sense in complaining about bad luck, you guys keep going back to this season, and what should happen now. I think Escalate is right after all, except for the fact that the playing time wouldn't be spread out evenly like he presumed, for teams would be going 100 % to win every game, which is overall better for leagues. Escalate has summed up what nemo has been trying to say throughout the duration of two threads lol.

[Horny Elf]

Why the hell did you make a new thread about this shit ?

Fighting over rules that have been since the beginning that happend to fuck you over in the end is fucking lame.
Did you really think the rules were to be changed to suit YOU, Rapid?

As for next season they should still keep the +/- as the decider. Like now this league is playing during holidays, your bound to be missing a few possible starters every weekend. Deciding by +/- gives a more accurate result of how you have done troughout the season, even more so if the schedules are equal.