Twl roster limits suggestion

[schope]

1 dueling division (j or d) - 18 players (3 lines and 3 benchs/innactive)
2 dueling divisions (j and d) - 25 (almost 3 lines each)
1 dueling (j or d) + basing - 30 (+- 2 basing lines + 2 dueling lines + bench)
1 basing division - 22 (almost 3 lines)
3 divisions (j,d and b) - 35 ( +- 2 lines each + bench)

I think this would spread ppl arround and would avoid so many hopping during twl since ppl usually hop cause they are benched (mainly related to dueling divisions).

just an idea...

talk about it ?

[Cig Smoke]

I think any kind of roster limit is good, but many others dont. I also think that it would help alot if we had a reliable roster lock. Last season's was ajoke.

[Awesome]

yep, i'm in the no-roster-limit group.
i know my squad, as well as several others, like to keep inactive members on our roster so that when they do pop up from time to time, they can join in and play or even be eligable for twl (if it was the time for it... last season we had one or 2 guys show up right at the last minute).
those people shouldn't be "taking up spots" that we could give to more active (also more hoppers... because the active twd players always hop squads to the most active twd squad this week) players.

[schope]

yep, i'm in the no-roster-limit group.
i know my squad, as well as several others, like to keep inactive members on our roster so that when they do pop up from time to time, they can join in and play or even be eligable for twl (if it was the time for it... last season we had one or 2 guys show up right at the last minute).
those people shouldn't be "taking up spots" that we could give to more active (also more hoppers... because the active twd players always hop squads to the most active twd squad this week) players.

1st dont take it as a critic.

I didnt watch twld, but i remember your squad as an example of what im saying for twlj, you had lots of ppl leaving cause pirates were playing 1 solid line and ppl like chance or beatbox had talent to not get benched on other squads.

[Awesome]

1st, i wasn't criticizing you, i was merely giving my opinion and saying that twl is better without a limit like the one that you're suggesting. 30-35 is enough.

2nd, honestly, you obviously don't know as much about us as you think, no offense. we didn't have lots of people leave because they didn't get a place and we didn't have a fixed lineup for TWLJ. actually, we had several people play for us last season in TWLJ: hercules, rogue, cuji, kim, crazy canockout, exquisite, dan, nasir, singer, dark!, jargha, sky.... even people like myself, lews therin, ghetto (aka Jalapeno), dan, and a few other people who were with us got in LJ's. but yes, BeatBox and Chance did want more games so they left, those were the only 2.

[schope]

1st, i wasn't criticizing you, i was merely giving my opinion and saying that twl is better without a limit like the one that you're suggesting. 30-35 is enough.

2nd, honestly, you obviously don't know as much about us as you think, no offense. we didn't have lots of people leave because they didn't get a place and we didn't have a fixed lineup for TWLJ. actually, we had several people play for us last season in TWLJ: hercules, rogue, cuji, kim, crazy canockout, exquisite, dan, nasir, singer, dark!, jargha, sky.... even people like myself, lews therin, ghetto (aka Jalapeno), dan, and a few other people who were with us got in LJ's. but yes, BeatBox and Chance did want more games so they left, those were the only 2.

Your line was herc cc exq (kim or sky) + someone. Dark left shriek and joinned you, i guess cuji was on -f- before joinning you, lews wasnt rly used. You ? starting a hard game ? Sure.

I remember before first 4 games of season u played like 80% the same at ur starting line.

Im giving my opinion too. I think what happened to you is an example. You had like 20 rly good javs and like 1/3 of them left. Also you got some ppl from other squads due the same reason. Most of the ppl isnt happy with bench.

[Awesome]

as i said last time, you don't know anything about us, past or present. We didn't even have a fixed starting line until the end of the season because we were still giving people chances to get on it. We saw the regular season as testing because we were confident we would make playoffs and wanted to see who was the best in TWL (not TWD). By the end of the season, the line was Rogue, Herc, CC, DarK!, Jargha, Sky ... 6th man alternated. Heres a list of other things you got wrong about us too:
- dan and Jamil were on the squad but axed for personality conflicts after the 3rd game. Arobas was arguing with them too and left 5 mins before we were gonna axe all 3.
- Cuji left -final-, joined fire, joined shriek and then joined us all before any of the TWL started. he left us during our playoff game vs. -final- because we didn't play him. he also spammed on our chat during the start of the game.
- DarK! joined us before TWL started as well and when he showed up, we put him in and he usually did very well.
- As for me, i said lews therin, myself and a few others EVEN got to start a game or so. Lews played against Elenya and maybe someone else if i remember right and he did fine. I started vs. Shriek because during that week very few people showed up, and like everyone else Shriek faced, i got owned (and subbed myself out).. hell even Tuxxer played that game and he didn't even practice javs last season, as i said, we spread out the playing time (especially that day).

The people you mentioned we picked up from other squads who left because they were bench warmers isn't accurate at all (like the rest of your comments). We picked up Lordy (shriek season 6 starting jav, remember?) who was inactive but we still liked/wanted him. Amorphus, Annul and vigilanty also. All right after Shriek dissolved. Also PjOtTeR returned. All after the roster lock deadline. You wanna call any of those players bench warmers? We'll see next season.

As i told you before, the only ones who left because they weren't getting playing time were Chance and BeatBox, because Hercules and I told them straight out they needed to improve or else they weren't gonna be starting much. And even then, we let Chance try to prove himself in our first game (vs. rapid)


....but back on topic, i still think that the roster limit should not be under 30 if you're even gonna have a limit.

[Jeansi]

I'll stick to what I said earlier: no actual roster limit, but limit the number of eligable players in TWL to something like 20-25.

[Da1andonly]

Diso is one of those squads that fall into the same category as Pirates. We have 36 or 37 members right now, of which ~10 are inactive or never plays, and then around 5 more who plays seldomly or who won't play TWL. We just like keeping them on roster, since a lot of them (f.e. boki, smack man, pioneer, jonas, little chaos, schnares and so on) has been on the squad for ages. Since we're a 3-league squad I'd like the limit to be around 35-40 members for a 3-league squad.

[schope]

as i said last time, you don't know anything about us, past or present. We didn't even have a fixed starting line until the end of the season because we were still giving people chances to get on it. We saw the regular season as testing because we were confident we would make playoffs and wanted to see who was the best in TWL (not TWD). By the end of the season, the line was Rogue, Herc, CC, DarK!, Jargha, Sky ... 6th man alternated. Heres a list of other things you got wrong about us too:
- dan and Jamil were on the squad but axed for personality conflicts after the 3rd game. Arobas was arguing with them too and left 5 mins before we were gonna axe all 3.
- Cuji left -final-, joined fire, joined shriek and then joined us all before any of the TWL started. he left us during our playoff game vs. -final- because we didn't play him. he also spammed on our chat during the start of the game.
- DarK! joined us before TWL started as well and when he showed up, we put him in and he usually did very well.
- As for me, i said lews therin, myself and a few others EVEN got to start a game or so. Lews played against Elenya and maybe someone else if i remember right and he did fine. I started vs. Shriek because during that week very few people showed up, and like everyone else Shriek faced, i got owned (and subbed myself out).. hell even Tuxxer played that game and he didn't even practice javs last season, as i said, we spread out the playing time (especially that day).

The people you mentioned we picked up from other squads who left because they were bench warmers isn't accurate at all (like the rest of your comments). We picked up Lordy (shriek season 6 starting jav, remember?) who was inactive but we still liked/wanted him. Amorphus, Annul and vigilanty also. All right after Shriek dissolved. Also PjOtTeR returned. All after the roster lock deadline. You wanna call any of those players bench warmers? We'll see next season.

As i told you before, the only ones who left because they weren't getting playing time were Chance and BeatBox, because Hercules and I told them straight out they needed to improve or else they weren't gonna be starting much. And even then, we let Chance try to prove himself in our first game (vs. rapid)


....but back on topic, i still think that the roster limit should not be under 30 if you're even gonna have a limit.

I dont know certainly who was or wasnt on what squad, sure you know more about ur roster than me.
What i remember was that pirates had good javers and half of them left like before the half of season.

As you said you got lots of ppl to play for you in next season. I think same thing will happend to you again since you got top ppl that wont accept bench. Im not saying that ppl that benched for you and got axed/left arent good. I wont talk about ur squad issues and stuff (who i would put to start for example). Im just talking about that pirates departure as an example.

And even with those limits i think you could keep all those ppl. How many divisions pirates going for ? (d and j ?)

Do you think you need more than 25 ?

Diso is one of those squads that fall into the same category as Pirates. We have 36 or 37 members right now, of which ~10 are inactive or never plays, and then around 5 more who plays seldomly or who won't play TWL. We just like keeping them on roster, since a lot of them (f.e. boki, smack man, pioneer, jonas, little chaos, schnares and so on) has been on the squad for ages. Since we're a 3-league squad I'd like the limit to be around 35-40 members for a 3-league squad.

As to what da1 said, just dont send those ancient ppl that never get online to the twl roster list, this doesnt mean u have to axe them from twd.

I just think something around those numbers would be more than adequate for any squad. Something that cant be tolerated is a 1 league squad have 30 ppl on twl roster.

Or for example Anti-Scrub, that has about 40 good ppl just to base. I think they got all those ppl cause they wanna bd everyday but i see ppl leaving near or during twl due to no playing time.

[Predator Rulez]

I am with Awe and Da1, Sk8 is another of those squads that really cant use a roster limit like that.. We do play 3 leagues (hopefully we will again next season). We also have alot of inactive players that drop by every once in a while to play some games, and we also like to keep them on the roster. We already removed alot, but still our roster is pretty big.

Setting a roster limit will only make players that "think they wont play" leave the squad.. or we'll just have to perm remove our inactive players from the roster. Alot of old skool sk8ters are inactive now.. AND WE WANNA KEEP EM ON THE ROSTER.. Sk8 4 50 player roster squad!!!!!!

Pred

[Awesome]

I dont know certainly who was or wasnt on what squad, sure you know more about ur roster than me.
What i remember was that pirates had good javers and half of them left like before the half of season.

As you said you got lots of ppl to play for you in next season. I think same thing will happend to you again since you got top ppl that wont accept bench. Im not saying that ppl that benched for you and got axed/left arent good. I wont talk about ur squad issues and stuff (who i would put to start for example). Im just talking about that pirates departure as an example.

And even with those limits i think you could keep all those ppl. How many divisions pirates going for ? (d and j ?)

Do you think you need more than 25 ?

you honestly dont know anything about us, and wont accept what im telling you. for us, you think we got 25 javers or something and all of them have to be top 5 or they leave? we have about 8, maybe a few more, starting javs. All of them will see plenty of TWL time, many of them will miss some games. It's not all about picking a top 5 and having those 5 show up for every game and own it for you. That's why you need some depth. Last season we had like 15 javs, 2 (not more, just TWO) didnt wanna ride the bench so they moved onto another squads bench.

and since you brought it up and asked, we're going for 3 leagues next season. and i think about 35 is enough of a limit for a 3 league squad's twl roster. you cannot limit a squad to 25. I can list out a bunch of people on our roster who are inactive right now but we still want them on our TWL roster because we expect them to come back by specific dates. Lordy, Amorphus, Lews Therin, hype, hit & run, Devilish, kid kaos, etc... we want them on our roster, for whenever they show up. So would you if you were in our place.

FYI: The roster limit technically is 35, it just wasn't enforced last season. If it had been enforced, it wouldn't have made a difference. No squad, last season, had more than 35 people represent them if you add up the total number of players who played a twl game for each squad.

[PjOtTeR]

I think Twl-ops are now gonna take over schopes idea. Cus it is so smart and all the longer playing people agree with him :P. Honestly schope, you shouldn't make such posts at all, you do not know what you are talking about. Also, you really think rosterlimit being lower will prefent squadhopping? With such a tight rosterlimit for some squads, we get more dissolves during season, and is that really what we want?
Why i think that? Well... you have some people that will hop while their team is doing bad and they will go to an other team that is doing good. You have people that don't get to play, leave the squad and go to an other squad where they won't get to play either.
Your idea is as dumb as the person behind it who wrote it, and all people probably agree on that .

[Zerzera]

Yeah yeah, that idea been brought up a few times before. I don't support it.
It's up to the players where they want to play, if you have 30 people only to play one league you might have 20 people who won't play a single game. If they accept that, and still stay in the squad, there must be something that is keeping them there. You won't be making any money by playing TWL, so if you enjoy a squad without playing TWL, why not stay there?
The only problem I see is in TW-b, where there is a large enough database of players to have at least 5 active teams every night (GMT), but hardly any squad wants to recruit a few arriving players, new talent. They rather sit on their inactive 'vets', knowing that when TWL starts they will be back... but what about now? Shouldn't you try to get enough active players to have a bd a few nights a week? I bet newer players wont mind to spend some time on one of the top basingsquads and get better from that.

[Rab]

b & j or d ?