question about eligibility/squadhopping

[Randedl]

From the TWL website: There were 2 appeals send to TWL Ops. The first was about 2dragons playing for Pirates. It was concluded that he was ineligible for games the prior weekend because he left before last week concluded therefore that was the round he was ineligible for.

5.05 The Standard Waiting Period for roster eligibility goes as follows: Any player joining a Squad for participation in Trench Wars League, will be subject to a one round cool down period after registration and confirmation by a Squad Captain. Players will not be eligible to participate in official Trench Wars League matches until the round proceeding that player joining the Squad has completed (Example: Players joining before round 3 but after round 2 will not be allowed to play in any games until the round 4 games).

week 2: http://twl.trenchwars.org/index.php?...tchID=10000527

week 3: http://twl.trenchwars.org/index.php?...tchID=10000592

the way that i have always interpreted rule 5.05 is that it is worded as such to avoid people squadhopping in the middle of a weekend, and playing in the next?

ie. if i play all my games for pallies on saturday of week 2, leave sat night and join pirates in time to watch their week 2 games sunday, i will still not be eligible to play until week 4?

do i have this wrong? maybe a TWL Op can verify?

[tahkis]

2dragons - Pirates
Squad Joined
Pirates Feb 27, 2005

Week 2 game with Venom: Date: 2005-02-27.


"t was concluded that he was ineligible for games the prior weekend because he left before last week concluded therefore that was the round he was ineligible for."

How do you deal with situations when player left in middle of match weekend (sunday) after he had played with old squad? I think the thing he played with Venom that same weekend should mean something.

[Anduril.]

Ppl who make the bots and make the rules and stuff know how to evade it. Quite sad that they abuse it. Because how I read it, he just didn't follow the rules everyone else out of the 651321984321 TW players do have to follow.
Abused.

[Lofty]

They'll just give you the same bullshit answer they gave me when I asked about it.

Technically that rule is obsolete because if I only play wb and suppose I play my wb match for squad A on saturday of round 2 then leave that squad [bullshit excuse] before matches end that weekend[/bullshit excuse] and join another squad and play a wb match for them in round 3, then I get away with it without any cooldown or any penalty as is meant to be. But staff is doing a pretty horrible job this season so this comes of no surprise.

(Rodge_Rabbit)>i can definatly see a point into that. And depending on the situation a forfeit is given. However maybe their are circumstances where it wasnt a intential offence. But that depends on the situation. The fact remains that it will be punished
Lofty> See this is what I don't understand - why should it matter if it was intentional or not a rule was broken
(Rodge_Rabbit)>we are talking atm a situation that isnt really covered in the rules. What automatically leads to TWL ops decision
(Rodge_Rabbit)>ofcourse one TWL op isnt the other
Lofty> It is in the rules though
Lofty> 5.05
(Rodge_Rabbit)>the punishment however isnt, that is what i mean
Lofty> How do you not have a punishment set for that?
Lofty> So anyone can just play illegal players and expect it to just fly because there is no set rule?
(Rodge_Rabbit)>no, that is what i said before. There will be a punishment
Lofty> but what kind?
(Rodge_Rabbit)>that can differ like i said. Depending on the situation
(Rodge_Rabbit)>what was the outcome of the game, how much was that round cool down period broken? was it a edge case, or was it a clear one?

Lofty> What will be the standard procedure carried out in that case UNLESS one of the squads presents some kind of information that leads to it being a special circumstance
Lofty> Why is the determinant system for this season so bias? I don't get it; the rules should be in black and white
Lofty> Why can people expect to violate and bend them by taking advantage of variables you allow such as 'outcome of the game, whether it was an edge case, etc'
Lofty> People will purposefully try to abuse rules because they know there is no black and white punishment
Lofty> The rules clearly state that a player 'will not be allowed to play ANY games of round 3 if they joined after round 2 and such
Lofty> I dont see it stating that there will be further assessment of a situation depending on by how much the rule was violated
(Rodge_Rabbit)>like i said before, the punishment isnt outlined
Lofty> It just says they are not allowed

(Rodge_Rabbit)>the roster cool down is to prevent players for joining/chaning squads rapidly
Lofty> So isn't it defeating the purpose if people still get a chance to play in games week A and then they leave 'before matches end' and still get no penalty and can play in week B ?
(Rodge_Rabbit)>the rule is more there for the first 3/4 weeks. The purpose remains, they still cant play a match at the same week
Lofty> You avoided my question though; doesn't it defeat the purpose of the rule if they can simply play in a match, then leave the squad, and play next week anyway because 'they left before matches ended'
(Rodge_Rabbit)>and i said, the purpose is there most likely to not let the player play 2 matches at the same week.
Lofty> two matches the same week? if that was the case then why does the rule pertain to the -following- week, and not that current one
(Rodge_Rabbit)>that has to do with roster changing.
Lofty> Explain
(Rodge_Rabbit)>The range has been set from end of Week 1 to end of Week 2 for example. Its a time frame set that a player may have 1 squad
Next elimination match is starting. Type ?go elim to play
Lofty> What would be the point of having that range
Lofty> Matches are only played on the weekends
Lofty> What difference could it possibly make what squad a person has until the weekend comes

Lofty> Whatever this is pointless, a player played matches, changed their squad, and no penalty WHATSOEVER was imposed, they PLAYED in the matches of last week, and yet they somehow still manage to play the week after that as well
Lofty> Where is the penalty imposed? I dont get it
Lofty> You and I both know a penalty is imposed for changing squads; a 'cooldown period' as you call it
Lofty> He got away with playing both weeks
Lofty> Where is the penalty
Lofty> What dont you understand
Lofty> The rules were bent
Lofty> 2dragons played 2 consecutive weeks worth of TWL despite changing squads which is penalized by one week of non-eligibility cooldown time
Lofty> So how does that fly ?
(Rodge_Rabbit)>the rules werent bent in the case. What however is discussable changing the rule to fully prevent what you are saying
Lofty> How weren't they bent ? A player is penalized a week of non eligibility for changing squads
Lofty> In this case he dodged around it, if everyone can do that what is the point of having the rule ?
Lofty> You call yourself a TWL op and you can't even come to admit that a player abused the system and didnt get a penalty that is stated to be given to any player who changes squads, a COOLDOWN PERIOD OF ONE ROUND
Lofty> after whatever round they played in
(Rodge_Rabbit)>because i disagree what you said, but we can go in circles on that
Lofty> How can you disagree? You dont agree that there is a penalty imposed of 1 round cooldown after whatever round they played in last?
(Rodge_Rabbit)>what i agreed on is that the rule can be changed however

The fact that Rodge may be hyped up or motivated about getting shit done this TWL season does not mean he is sufficiently equipped to carry out the task competently, either on a mental level, or some other. I think this conversation more than amptly demonstrates that. Would be nice if The Pusher came back.

[tahkis]

So I could kinda play 4 first week in a row, every week in different squad by just hopping before last match of the weekend is played. Cool..

[Jz-]

So I could kinda play 4 first week in a row, every week in different squad by just hopping before last match of the weekend is played. Cool..

well that's the plan, since 1 person can do it, i suppose we ALL can do it then

[PjOtTeR]

5.05 The Standard Waiting Period for roster eligibility goes as follows: Any player joining a Squad for participation in Trench Wars League, will be subject to a one round cool down period after registration and confirmation by a Squad Captain. Players will not be eligible to participate in official Trench Wars League matches until the round proceeding that player joining the Squad has completed (Example: Players joining before round 3 but after round 2 will not be allowed to play in any games until the round 4 games).

2dragons and epi kinda left after venoms 1st match in week 2.
Then they missed venoms 2nd and 3rd match in week 2, and weren't eligible to play pirates 1st match ( the lj ) in week 3.
Those 3 matches could be seen as 1 full week and thus they could play pirates 2nd and 3rd match of week 3. (lb and ld)

So no it wouldn't be possible to play first 4 weeks on 4 different squads.
It most likely is just how you look at the rules wether you think they are bend or not.

Example: Players joining before round 3 but after round 2 will not be allowed to play in any games until the round 4 games

Players didn't join after round 2, they joined during round 2... thus they couldn't play the matches their former squad already played in round 2 for their new squad in round 3, but they still could play the matches their former squad didn't play in round 2 yet for their new squad in round 3.... or something like that.

P.S. We asked the twl ops wether those players could play or not, the twl ops told us they were eligible to play after our first match.... Thus we played them the 2nd and 3rd match.

[Cig Smoke]

Thats stupid. I always thought they had to miss the entire next week.

[Lofty]

Pjotter, you apparently don't seem to understand the meaning of 'Round'. No need to feed us the excuse given by TWL Op's like a lapdog; Round in this case indicates rounds of TWL, which there are 10 of per season, not counting playoffs. Therefore if the last Round played in was Round 3, the player shouldn't be able to play anything until Round 5, that simple.

There are no 'which match they played in which round' determinants; that is far too bias and opinionated. If a squad I participate on plays LD and LJ but I only play LD, I could play the LD of round 3 on saturday then leave the same day before that Round ends, and since I didn't 'play in the LJ game' (which I wouldn't have played in anyway), I could use that excuse to play LD for another squad next season anyway and say that 'I missed a round last week'. That's a pathetic dispute to even bring up.

P.S. We asked the twl ops wether those players could play or not, the twl ops told us they were eligible to play after our first match.... Thus we played them the 2nd and 3rd match. - Pjotter

Exactly, and due to the unfortunate caliber of the current TWL Op's, they are unable to simply admit to having made a mistake in telling you it was alright and would rather feign ignorance and act like things were fine than retract an erroneous judgment. It's a pity that head of TWL is more bent on pride than a legitimate season.

[Burnt]

2dragons and epi kinda left after venoms 1st match in week 2.

Actually they left during our TWLB match vs Dice which was the last game we had in week 2.

[bloodzombie]

I don't see what's wrong with playing for two different squads two weekends in a row, as long as you can't play for two different squads in the same weekend.

[PjOtTeR]

Actually they left during our TWLB match vs Dice which was the last game we had in week 2.

Really, im just telling what i've heard....
Fact is that the twl ops told us they could play the lb and ld game, so we did... else we just would've played others...

[code]

Actually they left during our TWLB match vs Dice which was the last game we had in week 2.

Epinephrine left during our TWLB match. 2dragons didn't leave Venom until that evening after I was gone for the day. Don't know a time.

[Lofty]

As suspected, he did leave after the games, which I was pretty sure of even though Rodge bluffed and said it was before or during. This keeps getting better and better.

[Nosey]

if they both werent mods the penalties would be implaced already