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  • Transfers and Loans

    Loans

    If a potentially good squad is struggling for the last place in the league, i.e. Disoblige are fighting with Bohemians for the last place in TWLB, or a player isn’t getting enough games and wants some practice then some players could join a squad on loan for a set period. For example, Pearl Jam of Pallies (haha, Pallies isn’t in the dictionary on Word where I made my first draft of this) (neither is haha) and Kuukunen of Whiterabbits could join Bohemians for a week or so to help them get into Bohemians and put the pressure on Disoblige. However, entire squads could migrate so to stop this:
    A squad can only have 2 players in on loan at once
    A squad can only loan in 6 people in 3 months/one season
    Captains and assistants can't leave on loan
    A captain would log into the TWD site, click a player, click request to loan and enter a time period (lets say the maximum is 14 days). The other captain would log in and click ‘accept’. The rules would have to be tight so that players in on loan wouldn’t drastically alter a squads performance (i.e. turn the squad into world-beaters) but still make a difference. This would add interest and excitement into the leagues. Of course the player on loan wouldn't be able to play for his original squad while on loan.

    Transfers

    I took the day school to prepare myself for an exam and spent all day thinking up this. Well done me. I was thinking of a way to stop people squad hopping and create stability. As soon as a squad goes through a bad run of results people leave and join another squad, and that squad dissolves. Likewise if one person is carrying that squad and they leave then the squad goes through a sticky patch and dissolves. This is fine as squads will always be formed to replace them but they will start on 1000 points and wont challenge for the top honours that could soon hit 4000 points until a few months, by then everyone would have left for lack of ambition. Eventually you are left with 5 or 6 really good squads and a huge gulf in class between the ones below. There has to be a sense of stability so that the same squads are left at the end of the season and there isn’t a gap between 6th and 7th place so the championship is much more open.

    To stop this you have to stop people leaving to eagerly, and to do this you have to hit squads where it hurts, in the wallet (or the points total to be precise). A squad has to buy a player from another squad using some of the points it has amassed. For example, Disoblige have 3,000 points and Camisade have 2,000. Diso buy Pasco for 500 points and both squads have 2,500 points. The fees have to be calculated automatically. If the fees were to be negotiated between two captains then over a period of time the prices would just escalate. (If Dai Shan is worth 500pts then Pearl Jam is worth 650pts. OMG! NEVER! If Pearl Jam is worth 650pts Nuudeli has to be worth at least 900pts… etc…). In the end no transfers would take place as no one could afford them.

    Of course squads could sell all of their players and get 10,000 points and win TWD. It is unfair to say you can only buy/sell X amount of players in a season as you can't stop people from participating in the league. However, as TWD never ends, due to the points system as soon as this squad plays its next match (which it stands to lose as it has no players) it will also lose a hell of a lot of points, and therefore have no points or players. Damn I’m good. The next question is what league do the points get deducted from? The squads wont be allowed to chose as Dekai would just take all of its points from TWDD which it doesn’t give a toss about. The points would have to be taken from each league equally. For example, if a squad spends 300pts then 100 is taken from each league and given to the receiving squad in the same fashion. This would partially stop squads selling their way to the top as if a squad sells 3,000pts worth of talent only 1,000pts gets added to one leagues total. The real question is will the player I buy earn me more points than he cost me? The fees would have to be large enough to make a significant change though.

    So how would the fees be calculated? Is a good baser more expensive than a good dueller? Is a terrier more valuable than a spider? The value of a player would have to be a reflection of his past TWD record, as negotiated values would just be a reflection of his reputation. The value would be something like this: A player’s TWDD ratio + a player’s TWJD ratio + their basing ratio. The basing ratio would be something like: WB ratio (terr kills count as 2 or 1.5) + Jav ratio (tk’s not counted) + Spider ratio – Terrier deaths + Lancaster ratio + Shark kills (not tk’s). This doesn’t do the shark justice as its game is all about repels, so someone like Miau’s ratio would be significantly lower, its up to you to snap up a bargain! Of course people looking for a transfer will play badly to lower their ratio, but would you want to buy a potential liability or someone with a ratio as bad as theirs? Another factor not considered in the value is personality, but that would be taken into consideration by the buying captain.

    This scheme would only be implemented for TWD as the proper league would be TWL, but it would make it more interesting getting more people talking about it, increasing the amount of games/reducing no shows, create more stability due to less squad changes and make the competition more open as there would be two ways of getting points, reducing the gaps between squads in the table. What would your value be?

    Let me know what you think of the ideas.
    Originally posted by Facetious
    edit: (Money just PMed me his address so I can go to Houston and fight him)

  • #2
    A.) Your loan idea is just silly. What squad in its right mind would want to loan out any of it's core (possibly even just decent) players?

    B.) Aside from the roster lock after Week 5, we should simply emulate the RSHL and make the ineligibility period after switching squads more like three weeks, rather than one.
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    • #3
      a) How about higher up squads loaning players to TWD squads instead?
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      • #4
        the point of twd is to give crappy players a chance to play other crappy players, not for the elites to play the elites just on different squads.
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        • #5
          Loans: No.
          Transfer: No.

          Really all you'd need to bridge the gulf between the 4000 point teams and the 1000 point new teams is the institution of a proprietary ratings period. During that period, your squad gains/loses much larger numbers of points than afterwards, and the non-proprietary squads playing you gain/lose a lot fewer points than they normally would if they played another non-proprietary squad. This system is already established in most ELO systems, and shouldn't be too hard to implement from a bot programming stand point.

          Make the proprietaryu period the first 10 games or so, and things should even out a little better.

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          • #6
            Buying a player is a neat idea, and would work if we were professional salaried spaceship players under contract, but we're not, so that just wouldn't work.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kookie
              the point of twd is to give crappy players a chance to play other crappy players, not for the elites to play the elites just on different squads.
              Who said you'd send elite players there? Have you seen how football works in the UK? Let's say Man U have this young player .. they want to get him some game experience but they can't risk playing him in one of their league games. Reserve games are a bit too low par, so instead they loan him to a team a division or two down so he can get experience. In exchange the other team get's a player they'll know wants to show up and get good, and it reinforces the team.

              Next season in another league we'll be taking four or five players from another squad a division up, and be sending a player or two up there. We get a few players we know want to show up and play, who have a small amount of experience at a higher level but can definitly play at ours, and we get to send a couple of our best players up so they can get even better. Works for both sides. (Edit : And yes this is in Subspace)
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              • #8
                This STILL is the stupidest idea ever, loaning players.

                a draft league is one thing but zeus said basically he wants to bring in a few ringers to dekai so they make twlb. Thats what he said.
                The only TWO TIME TWLJ All-Star and TWLB All-Star who never played a game.

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                • #9
                  So why aint nobody coming??
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kookie
                    This STILL is the stupidest idea ever, loaning players.

                    a draft league is one thing but zeus said basically he wants to bring in a few ringers to dekai so they make twlb. Thats what he said.
                    Granted the idea came to me when I was thinking what dekai really need right now is him, him and him, but dont be so eager to shoot it down. I was only thinking of a way of making the game a bit more... fun?
                    Originally posted by Facetious
                    edit: (Money just PMed me his address so I can go to Houston and fight him)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GuruMeditation
                      Who said you'd send elite players there? Have you seen how football works in the UK? Let's say Man U have this young player .. they want to get him some game experience but they can't risk playing him in one of their league games. Reserve games are a bit too low par, so instead they loan him to a team a division or two down so he can get experience. In exchange the other team get's a player they'll know wants to show up and get good, and it reinforces the team.

                      Next season in another league we'll be taking four or five players from another squad a division up, and be sending a player or two up there. We get a few players we know want to show up and play, who have a small amount of experience at a higher level but can definitly play at ours, and we get to send a couple of our best players up so they can get even better. Works for both sides. (Edit : And yes this is in Subspace)
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                      Originally posted by Facetious
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                      • #12
                        just join another squad zeus! no biggie for you..

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                        • #13
                          I understand mainly cause we're putting it into application ourselves for a good use.
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                          • #14
                            I'm not sure about the loans and transfers idea. As for taking points away, it wouldn't be fair to take an even amount from each league as for the top squad in dd has 300 points more than the top squad in bd.

                            This reminds me though...

                            ... will there be an eligibility period for TWL?

                            If so, how long? RSHL do a 6 game period I believe?

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                            • #15
                              I think there should be some rule people cant change squads in some kind of period, or only special reasons... like requests to some kind of union.
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