10 TWLD squads plz

[Jeenyuss]

listen to knocks n royst. atta be boys.

[PaulOakenfold]

Yes, TWL needs to be more competitive, but what you end up eliminating are the middle tier squads that can contend at a High level that you expect at TWL. They may be more inconsistent over the course of 10 weeks but they will gain a lot of experience.

As a captain for a squad many will maintain is one of those middle-tier squads, we've managed to qualify for the last two TWLs (the first one, being the last possible team invited to twl) and we've been competitive enough to make the playoffs, which meant a top 8 and a top 6 showing.

While being able to do so we also attempt to train newer players to get into basing. These trainees take up about half of our roster, and since we have qualified for TWL these newer players get the experience of being a part of a TWL squad and participating in competition that is TWL caliber. It is a very slow process, but we have been able to get two or three players every season to breakout and be able to compete at the TWL level.

As a result we've had many of these newer players step up and compete at that high TWL level. Also many of my squadmates who are good enough to start for many TWLB squads stay here to play on an active team that can compete in TWL, and at the same time help to continue training new players to get into the basing scene.

However, because of the way we structure the squad to cater to both newer players and older players, it's much more difficult when mixing the lineups in twd to qualify for twl, but our core players when together at a set time (like TWL sundays) can compete at this said 'High 8 squad twl level'. We've seen other mid-tier squads that has done well unexpectedly in the past years, like plade did last season in TWLB. I'm sure you guys can think of other squads that were surprises. With disappointments and dissolvings there are also a fair share of surprises, which many people tend to overlook.

So what happens when a mid-tier squad like us doesn't make TWL? the better players will leave to a TWL squad so they can play in TWL, and there's no interest from any of them to play in an AML when they know they can play in TWL. So unless one of us decides to stay back and help the 'newer' players while sacrificing their ability to play TWL, the squad won't stay afloat. We've seen that happen a lot in the past when squads fail to make TWL, and that was with 10/12/16 squads. Imagine how many more mid-tier squads will fall and dissolve when there are 8 squads.

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Very true, I remember captaining Defiancy in Season 6 or 7? When merce cheated and got Shriek kicked out of all three leagues. We replaced them in LB, and everyone was saying they should just let Shriek play on, not let us replacements ruin things, it was already week 6, fuck em, etc.

So our first match vs Spastic, everyone was saying we'd loose with less than 30 seconds of flag time. If I remember correctly, ray j was in terr, Tyrome and X Japan were in sharks (i didn't shark then :P ) I was in spider as Escales Dante, with guys like Deverse, Skynyrd, pavement, I can't quite recall who else played forgive me, maybe Send? Death3D was a base bird for us.

Point being this. When all these players joined Defiancy, I lived online. We played 5s, 6s, base whenever we could. We sucked, but over time, the practice got us going. We got 5 or 6 minutes against spastic, and put up what most of the community decided was a respectable fight. A forum post was made, people were shocked, and gladly surprised that we actually knew how to base, and decently.

Half- 2/3s of Defiancys short lived, 3 or 4 week TWL stint, are now pro basers. Split among top squads, I alone most likely know all their alaises. Maybe jerome or some other X members know em all. The point is simple. We were all newbie basers - we got 4 replacement weeks in TWL, and BAM you've got easily a dozen pro basers added to the game.

Why the hell can't people understand this? I'll tell ya why. Too few vets make squads, and let newer players on. I can personally say in my time captaining, I've helped train, and bring at least 30-50 different players to a higher level of playing in basing and warbirds. Just like guys like Nessy, Commodore Pickle and DieWing did for me. If you don't let these new people have TWL time, if you won't care enough about the community to let people in, help them, train them. Then stfu about the population decline. You have no right to bitch if you just sit on a top squad and come around a few months a year to play TWL. Take an active role in the community, or keep complaints to yourselves. This has ALWAYS, and remains, my greatest pet peeve about this game. If you don't help the community, or the population in anyway, you don't matter when it comes to deciding on how things work - other than a simple opinion based on your length of play.

[Capital Knockers]

Hey Staff!

Yo guys, this forum topic has been here for like a week or more hasn't it? Either way, it's been here long enough to warrent some kind of response or feedback. I hate to be a prick (that's sometimes up for debate) but I will start hounding people for some kind of update.

There is obviously overwhelming support to increase TWL-D to at least 10-12 squads this season. I bet if you made a poll, the votes would be for increasing it. Why not do that?

[HateTheFake]

just talk with mirririm she was the one who is leading the role in rewriting the roles for next twl

[Capital Knockers]

just talk with mirririm she was the one who is leading the role in rewriting the roles for next twl

I have tried a couple times but she didn't respond. I'm assuming she's a very busy person and I'm trying not to go e-stalker on the poor woman.

[MirrorriM]

Sorry if I missed your PM's Knockers, I try to respond to everyone. So I will here :P

I see the argument for 10 TWLD squads. I am trying hard to incorporate everyone's opinions and desires for the next TWL season. I'll let you know sometime this week if we are going to change the number of TWLD squads to 10.

[Capital Knockers]

Sorry if I missed your PM's Knockers, I try to respond to everyone. So I will here :P

I see the argument for 10 TWLD squads. I am trying hard to incorporate everyone's opinions and desires for the next TWL season. I'll let you know sometime this week if we are going to change the number of TWLD squads to 10.

It's all good, like I said, busy lady. I really do hope you raise the squads, if there is anything I can do to help make it happen or anything let me know. If you've found the time hiding somewhere to read this topic, there are alot of great arguements supporting it and I'm sure people would jump to help figure out how to incorporate it. Thanks Mirr!

[freddie]

If there is (and there is) 10 competitive ld squads, and captains dont have anything against it, there is pretty much no reason to go with less.

[Dreamwin]

I think you should only let squadcaptains vote on that for some odd reason.

[Downfall]

need more vets makin squads. Vatican made mainliner turned out a success and people he recruited in the beginning like Diakka and Oderus now are in a twl squad. lols need people who can be caps tho or it will end up like Fuse (captained by renzi). B)

[Jeenyuss]

need more vets makin squads. Vatican made mainliner turned out a success and people he recruited in the beginning like Diakka and Oderus now are in a twl squad. lols need people who can be caps tho or it will end up like Fuse (captained by renzi). B)

downfall, people like oderus and diakka would end up on a twl squad if mainliner wasn't around. this is about the players who wouldn't normally make it on one if there were 8 squads instead of 10. i don't know. maybe instead of recruiting mid-level players try recruiting a couple squadless pubbers or recruit from outside the zone.

if you make it ten squad elimination do it so the 2 finalists get auto-quals, the next top 6 squads get in automatically, then make the next 8 squads enter into a tourny. winner of the tourny gets into twld for sure, then 2nd place vs. winner of the loser bracket and the winner of that gets into twld. this might be more complicating than necessary but it would be fun.

[PaulOakenfold]

We need a basing squad that recruits people from pub and ?go base and plays many BDs a day in order to train them, regardless of their w/l record...

[Zeebu]

We need a basing squad that recruits people from pub and ?go base and plays many BDs a day in order to train them, regardless of their w/l record...

actually, more than one would be nice.

jeen makes it a point to go pub hunt for people who seem to have the gyst of the game and then brings them into the whole bd scene. the problem is, you wont learn much basing if its 2 seasoned vets 2 mediocre basers and 4 mostly newbs in a lineup. to really train someone, youd like to surround 1 or 2 new guys with a decent team that knows what theyre doing.

the point im trying to illustrate: you cant go and recruit only new guys and train them all at once in any reasonable sort of fashion; at least you cant all that easily.

it would be nice to see more squads doing this

[Jeenyuss]

and i'd really rather not see a shit-load of quirions (recruit new guys but don't have anyone on the squad to lead/train/play with them in bd's) pop up. although i suppose something is better than nothing.

[Voth]

you are full of pessimistic ideals that are really clouding your judgement because you are completely wrong

we DO have the population to support it mainly because the majority of TWD squads are not in TWL

and they DO know how to run a squad, because they are all in TWD, and run them just fine there, and TWL is no different except to say "hey guys show up at so and so time on this day of the week"

you are full of it and really im sick of you trying to prove everyone wrong with the idea, YES we have the population for it YES they want it and YES we should have it, simple as that

I don't really care if you think I'm full of it, and it's not as simple as that. If you're trying to refute my argument at least present a valid one of your own.