TWL Update Thread

[Displaced]

Grow a pair of balls, please...

Every time someone proposes any sort of change to TWLB it's always the same people whineing about the same bullshit.

4 spid limit = oh noes, our squad doesn't have a decent basejav or a decent basebird cause weve all played this game for 1 year and don't know how to do anything other than cram with 5 spids.. STUPID STAFF!!! OMG!!!

No limit basing = same as above.

2 terrs = same as above.

Christ, I wouldn't care if the rule was changed to 8 terrs maximum, you don't HAVE to play with 8 terrs if you don't want to, the fact that someone is given that opportunity doesn't effect your little 5 spider world in the slightest.

Where is the problem?

[Reaver]

Did you forget that I originally had it at 8? Excuse me for being open to what TWLD squad captains and the general public would like. 10 TWLD squads was decided a while ago and no one went crazy about it after. Talk about quite the overreaction--not playing because 2 more squads are allowed to play? Jeez, lighten up.

I'm still open to reasons for why 2 terrs is the end of TWL as we know it.

I'm not sure what TWLD squad captains you spoke to but It feels like yet again someone in staff took the whining on the forums with not enough salt and here are the rest of suffering for it again. I can't tell you how many changes I've seen over the past couple years within the zone where an over-zealous group of people came onto the forums and whined about it and it seemed as though it was the right decision but in reality not all of us use the forums and not all of us check them often enough to hop on and complain about possible changes.


Also, you're basically seeing in this LB discussion thread similar reactions. You have people threatening to not play (entire squad(s) even) for this LB decision, it's the same thing though, they have something that they enjoy and you're essentially threatening to take that away. Again, I'm not saying 2 terrs is a good or bad decision, just that it's directly similar to the change in TWLD. I just hope that we can learn from our mistakes in the past, how many more seasons to people need to endure where the last couple of squads to get into TWLD were extremely lackluster, get trampled all over and drop out of the league? You were spot on with your judgment of 8 squads for TWLD and yet you allowed the forums to sway you, please look to the past to see the results of similar decisions. Just because the majority might feel one way or the other doesn't mean that they're right. You were put into that position because someone felt you had the ability to make conscious, well-thought decisions, not so that you could hold open polls on the forums. Also, if it seems as though I'm attacking you, I'm not, I still think you're doing good for the most part.

[Dreamwin]

Actually the people you are referring to are the same 10 people replying in this thread, I dont play the game? Im pretty sure im playing the same game you are IMO.

Idk why people have to bitch and whine if it doesnt even effect them. Yes mega theres an option for 2 terrs. If you or your oppenent doesnt use them, then wtf does it even matter.

As far as letting it in twbd, it would probably be wise so teams, can try it out for themselves.

not on same skill level, tho. ZING?

[Jack]

Great, 2x more deaths from random lagged repel'd bursts. Nothing more enjoyable than you're squad dominating for position about to take back FR to have it fucked up by more random bursts.

[HateTheFake]

hahahahahaha

I honestly can't believe your still arguing that 2 terrs will be a "good creative change" when everyone in this thread so far thinks it's the stupidest idea ever. When you have some javs and wbs saying it's even bad, then you know it is because usually they don't give two shits.

yeah maybe bram likes it but he's euro. So his vote doesn't count

and hate the fake? shut your fucking trap. you don't even play the fucking game. Go argue in a thread where you belong, like pub changes

Actually the people you are referring to are the same 10 people replying in this thread, I dont play the game? Im pretty sure im playing the same game you are IMO.

Idk why people have to bitch and whine if it doesnt even effect them. Yes mega theres an option for 2 terrs. If you or your oppenent doesnt use them, then wtf does it even matter.

As far as letting it in twbd, it would probably be wise so teams, can try it out for themselves.

[Dwopple]

Mirror, in all honesty the only newbs that talk about basing as being boring and stale are the newbs who dont play in the league or aren't good in it. They wont realize the big changes of taking those 2 blocks will have on gameplay already. By removing those 2 blocks you have increased the number of fights in cram and forced squads into using a different craming/lining method. I think this is a big change in itself and should be the only change implemented this season, because we have been able to practice with these settings. So i think FOR THIS SEASON , we should let this be the onlychange and remove the 2 terr thing :P because squads haven't had the summer to practice it B). (DO IT BEFORE I TELL SARGER ON U AND U GET SLAPPED!)

agreed.


what i see with 2 terrs...bram talked about with 1 terr all it did was camp, 2 terrs? where does the 2nd terr have that it can go? its not gonna rush in wildly cuz thats just doa central...the current flag room is too small for 4 terrs imo...i dont think it should be implemented this season, you gave us a good 3 months or so to get used to the no blocks in cram map. now youre giving us a month away to use something that changes basing completely? i think it should be implemented into TWD right after TWL, give us more than a month with it. like i said, most TWLB squads dont 8v8 enough in a month to get the full effect of 2 terrs

[Vehicle]

My first thought about two terriers: "what the fuck?!"
My thoughts after reading brams post: "why not"

^^Editted for accuracy^^

As per 2 terrs in LB: if you're going to do it you had damn well put it into TWBD like right now. How can you offer a strategy in TWLB that isn't available in TWBD? Any intelligent squad that can qualify for LB, thus excluding Diso, is only going to play 2 terrs if they have the oppritunity to use it in a TWBD setting first.

I'm personally indifferent to the idea of 2 terrs because I don't think anyone is going to use it. Do any of you kids remember a couple years back when they let 2 terrs be used in ?go base? Caps added two terrs about 40 percent of the time for the first week and then never again, and I don't think the removal of two cram blocks is going to encourage adding another terr. (Although consider: the left side of your cram just got shit on while the right side is still alive, if you have a terr on each side you could just attach to the left rather than cross the cram to even.)

The two blocks that were removed didn't really change much, people are still playing the same tactics (if not camping more) and it really just makes for more flagroom battles.

My overall opinion: stop bitching about two terrs because no one's going to use it (unless their opponent is really shitty.) If you're going to change the rule, though, you need to implement it in TWD first to not only give squads the oppritunity to implement and practice the idea but to give staff insight into what effect, negative or positive, it would have and wether or not that's what you want for the leage.

And also: Is the weasel going to be the small weasel or the big one? Because I actually think that a small weasel would have a much bigger effect with 6 ship changes than two terrs.

[Da1andonly]

My first thought about two terriers: "what the fuck?!"
My thoughts after reading this thread: "why not"

[megaman89]

MirroriM keep up the good work

hahahahahaha

I honestly can't believe your still arguing that 2 terrs will be a "good creative change" when everyone in this thread so far thinks it's the stupidest idea ever. When you have some javs and wbs saying it's even bad, then you know it is because usually they don't give two shits.

yeah maybe bram likes it but he's euro. So his vote doesn't count

and hate the fake? shut your fucking trap. you don't even play the fucking game. Go argue in a thread where you belong, like pub changes

[HateTheFake]

Why all the crying?
2 terrs arent being forced upon anyone. Everyone has the same option to use it. Most likely noone will. So quit your bitching.

MirroriM keep up the good work

[Capital Knockers]

Blame the past TWL captains who thought 10 was good. Dont be angry because the majority of people disagreed with you that there are less than 8 LD squads. - Mirrorrim

That's cute, but I'm not angry. And the majority didn't disagree, just a few previous TWLD squad captains you chose by silly bias to ask, as if their opinion holds more weight than non-captain players who've been playing for a while, if you're going to resort to 'votes'. I only even brought it up simply because this thread further underlines points I have made previously. When you leave everything up to 'vote' from the players, then you may as well make a bot replace you and we can all give it votes on what we think would be best. Having your position requires more than just asking 'previous twl squads captains' what they think.

You need to be able to know the situation well enough yourself to call the shots, not let 'players' run the show through votes while you turn off certain older players from even participating in your league season at all. And yes, there are quite a few old players I've spoken to other than Reaver who won't even play this season due to choice-making like that. I have nothing personal against you obviously, but it's rather apparent that you are in the dark about quite a few things in certain league areas and for certain divisions. And not just a little.

See thats the problem Sirius. The old people with that kind of attitude. Not going to play a season over a small change that benefits the majority? Well fuck em then. When it was changed to 10 squads, nobody flipped out, if it was such a horrid decision I'm sure people would of put alot more pressure against the idea. It's sounds so childish to say that you're 'turned off' and therefore not playing a season due to a situation like this, and I'd rather not have those people playing anyways. The people running TW can't keep catering to old vets that play this game every once in a while, they need to think about the up and comers, and the people that are here when these people dissappear for the off-season. I just don't see why you have to hate on 2 extra LD squads so much. If you really think it's going to make things that easy - how bout a little less talk and a little more winning LD?

[Nimrook]

i liked how basing was done like WAYYY BACK in like 2001

no 8v8.. just get as much ppl as u can for a game and the team with the most ppl WINS! =)

[Dreamwin]

no 2 terriers.

Why make this kind of change right before TWL?

This is a thing that could be considered for SEASON 14.

You haven't given anyone a chance to practice it with their squad. There isnt even an option to play with 2 terriers ATM. So, you going to just let ppl practice it in ?go base with random n00bs and bring more action in TWL.

Don't do it mirror :/

[KiAN]

lets just give lj javs rockets while we are making "creative changes", while we are at it

[Zeebu]

i think id have rather had a 4 spid limit instead of 2 ters, but im not gonna throw a fit. i think we may be jumping the gun a little on the additional ter since we only have about a month to think about how to use it (but not even in twbd?)


i am against making such a change right before the start of TWL without giving any chances to bd with it. thats about all.

otherwise, you'll probably just see a strategy such as starting with 2 ters, have your 2nd ter burst, then change to spider.