Thread not about the Thunder sub that cost Pirates the game. Don't worry.

[Mattey]

There is no REAL TIME on the internet, every single one of us is lagging. If Ease was hit on his screen (which he undoubtebly was). The death should count. Does anyone disagree with what I'm saying (that isn't on Thunder)?

There is no "he should have already been subbed out" bullshit. He got hit on his screen for a reason... THE SHOT HIT.

Edit: and I agree with the seeding caveat that creature added. If everyone agrees to this can it happen? We better play Thunder in the first round otherwise we won't have a chance to beat them, because they will lose to whoever they play since they are grossly overrated.

[Creature]

So, you're saying he exploded from... bad coding? Not the fact that he was hit by a bullet on his screen? Is that what you're saying?

It's not difficult to read a very through explanation that I have already provided you. Needless to say, I'm going to explain it to you one more time seeing as you cannot seem to grasp what is a very simple programming concept. I'm saying he shouldn't have even been in the fucking game. He should have been sitting in spec and the bullet shouldn't have been able to hit a player that should have been in spec.

It's the same concept of as an eat. You have already stopped moving (phizey has sent the !sub command and you have been subbed out in REAL TIME), but on your screen the !sub command has not taken place yet because of LAG so you get hit by a bullet (whereas in REAL TIME you aren't even in the game).

Since hypothetically lag shouldn't exist, the correct action is to look at what is happening in REAL TIME:

Ease has been subbed out
Ease shouldn't have even been there when the bullet was shot

Whereas this is what is happening on the lagged screen of Ease:

Ease gets hit by bullet
Ease gets subbed out
Ease is out. 12 wins 10 losses.

Therefore, regardless of the fact of what is happening on Ease's screen, in real time he was subbed out and most people didn't even see Ease die to the bullet (ie. both mods watching the game). Bad coding is the cause that "Ease is out. 12 wins 10 losses" was printed, because the lag on Ease's client side sent a packet containing a death that actually didn't happen.

Regardless, this is just a game and I wish you guys good luck. This will be settled in playoffs the way it should be. See you there, and good luck!

NO CREATURE NO VICTORY

EDIT: Someone make sure we get to play Pirates in the semifinal of playoffs so they can't lose to a different seed then cry that we lamed them outta their seed in playoffs. I want to win fair and square with no controversy in a higher stake matchup.

[Mattey]

Double-post. You can tell that this matter was handled disengenuously by the quickness of staff's response. The outcome of the appeal was determined before it was filed.

[Mattey]

Simply put, the ship should never have exploded, it should have been in spec. what ever happened after that was because of bad coding and wasn't supposed to happen.

So, you're saying he exploded from... bad coding? Not the fact that he was hit by a bullet on his screen? Is that what you're saying?


I'm going to fuck you up in playoffs. I'm better than any of you ever were. Fucking Thunder bitches scared of a rightful rematch, we'll both make playoffs and your squad will be exposed as the one that doesn't deserve it.

Izor, you're a joke, nobody takes you seriously because you are going to choke as soon as playoffs come around.

Mirrorrim is the most ridiculous of all, too bad she won't get to play TWL, because she is worse at the spaceship flying than the administrating. And she's a terrible administrator.

All I can say is this has been ridiculous. Ease got hit with a bullet on his screen, it's how he died and it should have counted. Thunder is full of faggots and you will get your shit pushed in in playoffs. 3-league squad my ass, all of you are like Eelam... good in games that don't matter.

Good luck in the upcoming rounds faggots.

Edit: and regardless of what biased creature says I'm going to say:

I ran past chuckle, shot him, and was then subbed out of game/died.

You died and THEN got subbed out. You know the bullet hit on your screen and should have counted. You are rightfully scared though, I would be too.

[With Ease]

I'm going to give a basic rundown of the situation around the sub since no one has done it yet. It was 4v3 in our favor, and then I killed Mattey out while simultaneously Burnt died. It was then 3v2. I ran past chuckle, shot him, and was then subbed out of game/died. It was then 2v2 with a score of 48-46. B4 died while laughing at the sub, score 48-47. Chuckle then died out, 49-47. I'm pretty sure b4serman and vitja would have beaten vys with 3 lives to 1 anyway.

It is pretty comical to me that in the other thread you expected us to be a 'chill' group Knockers and said you lost respect for us because we were complaining about a loss. How about looking in the mirror? Every post in this thread is from a Pirates member bawling.

Also, I'm going to include a bit of trash talk with this. Scoop you told ardour that he should join a 'respectable' squad. I guess a squad that has his captain try to join us 1 week before TWL is pretty fucking respectable huh?

One more thing. Might, if you had won that game versus Pirates in LJ where you used the sub as well don't even sit here and tell me that you would have agreed to a rematch.

YET ANOTHER thing, for those of you saying you will try to duplicate phizey's sub TRY IT. You have no idea how lucky it was for it to happen in the first place.

[Creature]

Is creature staff? The only thing I got from your post creature, is that ease got hit on his screen, that's why it counted the death, right?

Simply put, the ship should never have exploded, it should have been in spec. what ever happened after that was because of bad coding and wasn't supposed to happen. Appeal should not have been accepted, because a legal sub was used. What comes to lag, you are talking of several clients lagging, that don't even fing matter. Ease's client registered the hit that should have NEVER happened because he already been subbed out, sent the "client dies" info to the server ILLEGALLY, so he should have been in spec with 9 deaths.

If you still don't understand. Reread my post again. It's very clear and explains exactly what is occuring on the coding level.

[Mattey]

You're full of shit.

[Izor]

I wouldnt ever contest this. I'd say 'nice sub' and move on with it, because I've been a part of games where an extra death has come into play plenty in TWD. Its a part of the game everyone knows that. The sub delays and +1 lagouts imo came as a direct result from ignite and his PUMA squadron back in the day, who used to always run and spec (or sub) just to be faggots. At least, I remember them coming into effect right around the same time after much whining It's not going to ever be perfect and this isnt even a bot malfunction.

[Draft]

bye

weed-up time afk

[Capital Knockers]

Oh and I wanted to make this point before I went to sleep, but can't find the post I wanted to quote for it Mirr.

For the record, I still think you've done a great job. However I won't sit down and be silent when I see something obviously wrong happening. Who it works for doesn't really matter. I'd argue against people on Pirates too if I saw good reason too. Hell, I'd take Thunder's side in this issue if it wasn't clearly bs.

When you said you thought you've done a good job of keeping discussions open - you have. Why do you think so many people erupted so quickly when this appeal was shut down in an hour and the thread closed almost as fast? When you said you've done a good job of not being bias, I agree, from what I can tell you have. I don't personally think this has anything to do with bias. It's a simple combination of indisputable facts that aren't being properly addressed or answered that's pissing people off. All I can say, is when you've got this many people, from all these different squads agreeing. People from staff, people who know how bots work - all supporting Pirates. As I said, Thunder has Thunder - and Izor. Who as Wark pointed out, would be on our side if this was affecting him. In fact, I can promise you that Thunder would be using many of the same arguements we are. Of course, baring in mind that draft isn't smart enough to come up with half of them, so it would most likely be coming from other members of the community - followed by him quoting it and going YEAH!

This is quite plainly an outrage. This is the EXACT type of game that appeals are for. Appeals are meant for grey area games. If someone directly cheated or broke rules it would be a 50-0. If this doesn't warrant an appeal, we might as well rid of the option, because it's useless.

Draft - thin air can be left to defeat what you see as witty comments or arguements. I think I'm going to leave it at that.

PS- please completely address Mattey and Wark's points, as they have you by the tits.

[Mattey]

Is creature staff? The only thing I got from your post creature, is that ease got hit on his screen, that's why it counted the death, right?

[Draft]

It would be more of a hassle, and you'd lose more flagtime trying to set it up than it's worth. Otherwise someone would of tried it by now - aka you.

so it can be pulled off intentionally, thanks

I don't need any power. I'm quite content where I am. Continue creaming your pants with yours though.

i will =)

As I said, I watched the entire game. Doesn't take a Wizard to observe and know. In any case, it really doesn't matter because it had no effect on the games outcome - and regardless of anything, no appeal was made.

you watched, so you assumed, no? you didnt see what disoblige freq was saying

fuk outta hear wid that weak shit bredgin, tump u in da lip

[PaulOakenfold]

Thread is filled with sir cares-a-lots.

Thunder will only win TWLB, this game is inconsequential and so are your theories.

[Capital Knockers]

yes it can
It would be more of a hassle, and you'd lose more flagtime trying to set it up than it's worth. Otherwise someone would of tried it by now - aka you.



oh? try it some time, if u got the power
I don't need any power. I'm quite content where I am. Continue creaming your pants with yours though.




how do you know this lol
As I said, I watched the entire game. Doesn't take a Wizard to observe and know. In any case, it really doesn't matter because it had no effect on the games outcome - and regardless of anything, no appeal was made.

You're really an idiot draft.

edit - hey Mirr, I really hope you changing your mind - correcting a mistake and making a poll that resulting in twl starting up again a week earlier (and you getting alot of flak for it) hasn't scared you from changing a decision that is obviously wrong to the right. This is pretty much the same deal.

[Draft]

The flag-jupe can't be pulled off intentionally.

yes it can

Meanwhile we can have people sitting in spec ready to sub someone out. Draft it really isn't that hard, it's just timing and experience. Thing is, the majority of the TWL population isn't lame enough to even bother.

oh? try it some time, if u got the power

Oh and speaking of lame, Ease. That game is entirely different. I watched both in their entire length. Disoblige didn't intentionally do that, and it didn't have a direct unfair advantage for them that won them the game.

how do you know this lol