Thread not about the Thunder sub that cost Pirates the game. Don't worry.

[kthx]

You know none of what we are talking about even matters, we are getting stuck on semantics instead of the real problem.

If this game was the TWLD finals would you have allowed Thunder to win TWL-D based on a bot bug that was being manipulated?

That is really the only question that matters, if you wouldn't then you are basically admitting that it is a stupid way for a squad to win a game and that this match needs to be replayed.

If you would then you are basically leaving yourself open to another "Stray vs Thunder" situation from last seasons TWLD, and I don't think TWL can handle another moronic decision like that.

Because although the TWLD finals has higher stakes, every game in this league should be treated with equal importance.

[Dwopple]

oh and to creature's psuedocode bullshit:


There is a delay between the !sub command and the actual sub, yes?

The !sub command was given

during this delay ease and chuckle both died

Then the bot went through with the original !sub command and Ardour was put in with an extra death.


how else would thunder get 51 deaths when both the TWLbot and f2 recorded ease with 10 deaths???

[Dwopple]

ease shouldnt have died, but he did.
if ease shouldnt have died, then chuckle shouldnt have either, but he did.

i dont get what mirror is stuck on? yeah, if the bots were perfect then NONE of this should have happened. but it did.


like ive said twice now, the game could have gone either way had the bot been perfect. Its not like thunder was up on us by 15 kills. We arent asking for Draft or Thunder to be removed from TWL, we just want a fair rematch.


sheesh

[Capital Knockers]

I've said all I can say, I'm pull my head outta this swirly before my hairstyle goes back a few decades.

Oh and draft, be careful! I'll pull a vt response on you.

[Summa]

all of this banter seems irrelevant as i stated earlier. those people with some knowledge of the bots and how they work, along with some programming knowledge have spoken. the unintelligible banter and uninformed reasoning is not going to hold more water than what the few people who know something have said. those who at least knew what they were talking about to some degree either simply laid out the situation objectively or sided with the appeal being accepted. the twl op said "no" in the face of comparatively substantial evidence in the opposite direction. that says "hey i will not be reasoned with". end of story, quit whining, you'll make playoffs anyway.

[eelam <tw>]

re

my head hurts from hearing you newbs speak, let ME BREAK IT DOWN TO YOU, the BOT allows people to be subbed in if you have LESS THAN 10 DEATHS RANGING FROM 1-9 RIGHT IDIOTS? WITH ME STILL? GOOD GOOD NEWBS... THEREFORE it means that draft subbed EASE when he was at 9 deaths, THAT THE ONLY WAY THE BOT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE SUB and from the log draft showed it obvious ard was SUBBED IN PRIOR TO ease "out 12-10" comment. THE REST IS JUST DUE TO LAG.

P.S. EZ PZ GET GOOD PIRATES IS SOO SHITTT.

[Draft]

Not sure if I understood what you were after, Ease, but imo, that game, disoblige had 51 deaths, not pirates (so pirates had to kill 51).


I find this ridiculous. MirrorriM whats wrong with you?
gj till now..

And as stated in the first thread I think, why is phiz/draft not punished for doing this,
while it clearly states in rules something in these lines
"if a player is found exploiting bugs or smthn he/she will be punished"

you can't punish me for doing something thats legal to this day



edit: are we just discussing for the future twls or does pirates still want a rematch? im not going to bother reading 7 paragraphs from knorckers each time he posts

[Burnt]

why is phiz/draft not punished for doing this,
while it clearly states in rules something in these lines
"if a player is found exploiting bugs or smthn he/she will be punished"

The rules state you can use subs at any time, that's why. Ease's own lag caused his death, not really a bug.

[turmio]

Also, if we are so lame knockers, care to explain this?

http://twl.trenchwars.org/?x=showmatch&match=129

Not sure if I understood what you were after, Ease, but imo, that game, disoblige had 51 deaths, not pirates (so pirates had to kill 51).


I find this ridiculous. MirrorriM whats wrong with you?
gj till now..

And as stated in the first thread I think, why is phiz/draft not punished for doing this,
while it clearly states in rules something in these lines
"if a player is found exploiting bugs or smthn he/she will be punished"

[PjOtTeR]

Also, if we are so lame knockers, care to explain this?

http://twl.trenchwars.org/?x=showmatch&match=129

Well, as you can see acumo, the guy getting subbed was 4-10... while he should've been subbed while he was 4-7 or 4-8 or something that didn't happen... the reason that this didn't happen is because are captains are slow... slow in a way like: huh cootchy cootchy coo what going on we know no subcommand, fuck subcommand whats subcommand... by the time they found out what the subcommand was, acumo already was at 4-9 and when they used the subcommand he just happened to die so. The difference to this matter is we didn't try to get an extra life by using this sub as opposed to you who just used the sub to get an extra life basicly. We used it to sub someone out who was doing bad, but we're just slow... again opposed to you who tried to lamesub someone out who was actually doing good but close to dieing out...

[Capital Knockers]

Alright here we go.

Creature
Since hypothetically lag shouldn't exist, the correct action is to look at what is happening in REAL TIME

Don't know where you're from, but sadly lag does exist. As Mattey said, lag-wise, the bots are the closest damned thing to real time you're going to get on this game - and the bots said he died 10 times. I'll trust pure coding over a TWL-Ops connection anyday.

Mirr even said, jee maybe this is something we'll have to look into next season because it's a problem. Don't shuffle the problem along to another TWL-smod, or season. Fix it now, and replay the game, make the rule. Take some initiative for pete's sake, with all these people actively discussing this on the forums NOW - this is THE PERFECT time to discuss a new rule regarding this event, and make it fullproof. Why wait until 6 months down the line when half the people that witnessed this have either forgotten or stopped play?

[Draft]

I saw the log.

At the same SECOND these things happened.
1. Ease got Killed
2. Ease got specced for 10 deaths
3. Ease got subbed for Ardour.

real talk

[kthx]

Well I saw the official log yesterday and I can confirm that everything happened in the exact same second.

Chuckle Died,
Ease Died,
Ease was Subbed.

Not in any particular order.

[Pressure Drop]

seems like a bad decision to me

should’ve been a replay

would also put off caps now willingly trying to exploit this. The fact that ease died and was subbed giving an extra player with 1 death in a tight match I don’t think they could feel too harshly done by in a replay, otherwise sub quicker or don’t sub at all if your that confident of winning
-_-

[Mattey]

If Ease didn't deserve to die (which he did) then Chuckle didn't deserve to die(which he did). Every single part of this debate points to a rematch.