TWLB Qualifications Appeal - Sweet

[Reab]

that wasnt a feed. that was 1 guy went afk right before the game and paladen wouldnt !cancel...dont drag us into this feeding shit. you ignorant retarded fuck

I agree with renzi. Paladen definately wasnt fed with that game. Pandora needed every point they could have to may be able to attract one or the other baser before twl roster lock. It would've been dumb to feed points, since having paladen in over sweet or hit doesnt really make their chances bigger to win anything since it affects every other squad aswell. That 1 guy goes afk can happen always. We almost lost #10 in lj cause all javs went afk and i had to jd with basers, and, looking at it now, it was paladens best move to let pandora forfeit instead of cancelling, can't blame them for doing a tactical choice.


What Ease has said earlier is totally correct. Paladen was qualified on both days. EVEN IF sweet and hit were asked to compete in lb for 10 squads action, they were not able to make more points than paladen, no matter the game was a forfeit or a real played game, no matter how good paladen is at bding AND no matter if they only played 5s or 6s.
A BD is a BD. They somehow made enough points to kick out sweet or hit, and that was not easy for them and was an awesome job! I think its really nice to see that they made it, and maybe paladen will be one squad in future that bds more often aswell! they got the ppl and can build up the potential. I aswell see no chance for them this LB, but whoever qualifies, is in. You can not just put them out because they aren't as good as sweet or hit, they legally made the cutoff.


There should be a game (BEST of 3 bds) between sweet and hit, because one of them was qualified on Sat, and one on Sun. The argument about "everyone knew it was sunday" is totally incorrect. Im Smod and i even took calls and copy/pasted the post from flared from twdsite to asians and others. As i logged on Sunday we almost fell out of lj and i was shocked aswell.

Yes there was a mistake by the head of twl and yet he is to make an official statement, but there is definately a way to find a solution everyone can get along with without calling out anyone else.

So put your dicks aside and fucking wait for an official response. My ideas are listed above and below.

(Edit: official statement as in to know who has to participate that tourny)



PS: I see the same situation in JD/LJ happened with Disoblige / Asians / Paladen.
Paladen wasnt qualified Saturday, but on sunday.
Disoblige was qualified saturday, but not sunday.
Asians wasnt qualified saturday, but on sunday

If the same happened in dd/ld , i dunno.


The solution that comes to my mind: Postpone twl for 1 week, and hold the following torunaments:

Basing:
Sweet vs. hit, best of 3 games, since either one of them was qualified on either sunday or saturday. paladen was qualified on both days so has a secure spot


Javing:
Disoblige vs. Asians (1 game)
Asians vs. Paladen (1 game)
Paladen vs. Disoblige (1 game)

Best 2 squads qualify for Twlj. If every squad wins 1 game, the 2 squads with the best K : D ratio in total qualify.

Either the bd/lb system or jd/lj system could be used in DD/LD aswell, if the same circumstances happened there.


Greetings and 1 hour later,

Reab


PPS: Please Feedback this idea. Thanks!

[Soilderz]

I agree with Reab on everything on both LB and LJ after reading more carefully.

Fact is, we (Disoblige) had several players who had read on the twd site about the time and then didn't decide to show (for example wax who is maybe our best Jav didn't show because he thought we were already in). I hadn't noticed that the time was wrong until my squadmmates came in the day after and said why the **** we weren't in LJ when we were qualified when the qualifying was supposed to end (IE, flareds post on twd site).
Disoblige was in TWLJ as off the original time which flared had posted but Paladen and Asians wasn't, the fact that Asians was fed off by Ltkings several games in a row to make LJ doesn't make it better for them (which you can see on their Ave R).

As it looks like it will be a mini tourny of some sort in LB it should only be logic and fair that there is one for LJ for obvious reasons.

Disoblige Appeal for LJ

[Reab]

Need to correct myself about jd tho..

there are currently 11 squads in jd with more than 30 games.

I know disoblige was in top 10 on saturday, and wasnt on sunday



What I do NOT know is if Asians/Paladen was in TOP 10 or not on saturday, but they were on sunday

My guess is that EITHER Asians or Paladen were #12 or 13 in twjd ladder on saturday BUT qualified because of more games than mambo etc.

I bet there will be the same situation in jd/lj as in bd/lb.

Either Asians or Paladen were already qualified on Saturday too!

now we need to find out who of them, because that means the squad was qualified on both days, and has a secure spot. The other one NEEDS to vs. Disoblige in a Tourny, Suggestions is best of 3 as above mentioned for bd/lb.

Now that there is an official appeal by soilderz, me in my position as staffer has to support him, not being involved into the situation and/or being a part of either the 3 squads. You can see that im quite fair, since Paladen would be the more easier opponent for us. But all of this has to be handled fairly..

My support has nothing to do with the decisions made by twl-ops since i am not on their team.

Greetings, Reab

[Oranje]

Need to correct myself about jd tho..
there are currently 11 squads in jd with more than 30 games.
I know disoblige was in #10 on saturday, and wasnt on sunday
What I do NOT know is if Asians/Paladen was in TOP 10 or not on saturday, but they were on sunday
I bet there will be the same situation in jd/lj as in bd/lb.
etc

Well this means that squads also can appeal for not getting an equal chance to get in twl because they did not know the cut off did not happen yet? But some squads outside top 10 had enough players on but just didnt bother anymore...I guess lot of appeals can follow then?

[Soilderz]

Well this means that squads also can appeal for not getting an equal chance to get in twl because they did not know the cut off did not happen yet? But some squads outside top 10 had enough players on but just didnt bother anymore...I guess lot of appeals can follow then?

That's not the same because most of those squads weren't in the qualification spots on either Saturday OR Sunday so they wouldn't have gotten in on either dates.

[Oranje]

That's not the same because most of those squads weren't in the qualification spots on either Saturday OR Sunday so they wouldn't have gotten in on either dates.

Not saying its the same, but would not that be fair too if your and sweet's appeal get approved?
Also some squads can still claim they were top 10 Saturday while they were not...
(I do not mean your squad)

[Soilderz]

Not saying its the same, but would not that be fair too if your and sweet's appeal get approved?
Also some squads can still claim they were top 10 Saturday while they were not...
(I do not mean your squad)

No it wouldn't be fair as it's not the same thing.
And no they can't claim as we have database access and we can check it

[Reab]

Not saying its the same, but would not that be fair too if your and sweet's appeal get approved?
Also some squads can still claim they were top 10 Saturday while they were not...
(I do not mean your squad)

Its possible to check that. And no more appeals besides a Wb appeal can happen, since in lb and lj, no other squads had the possibility to participate due to missing games

[Oranje]

Its possible to check that. And no more appeals besides a Wb appeal can happen, since in lb and lj, no other squads had the possibility to participate due to missing games

ahh ok, 1) But that is not totally an answer to "unequal chance for squads that could have gotten to twl but didnt think they would make it anymore coz they thought lock happened".
2) Asians qualified as #9 on the jd-ladder, we should be safe, let #10 and Disoblige handle it.

[Reab]

#10 would be us, tho we were qualified on both days, means we are safe. If you see it like that, and Paladen was the squad that was not qualified on both days but on sunday, they are #5 and safe? not very smart

[Oranje]

#10 would be us, tho we were qualified on both days, means we are safe. If you see it like that, and Paladen was the squad that was not qualified both days, they are #5 and safe? not very smart

"not very smart" = invalid argument
A lot of things about the ladder can change every day, Paladen might have done this last week, but they did that Sunday... how is that different.
To me it is starting to look as if you are very subjective and like to see Paladen and Asians out of twl.

oh and i do not think they were #5 at the time of the lock

[Reab]

But it was pretty obvious that a guy from Asians will pop now and defend his squad as Paladen did before and hit did, now that soilderz is defending the fact that he was qualified on saturday aswell.

Fact is tho, that squads that were qualified on Saturday and kicked out on sunday, should have a chance to get qualified, since this issue has been caused by us staffers and the responsible department, and not Sweet / Disoblige.

[Reab]

"not very smart" = invalid argument
A lot of things about the ladder can change every day, Paladen might have done this last week, but they did that Sunday... how is that different.
To me it is starting to look as if you are very subjective and like to see Paladen and Asians out of twl.

oh and i do not think they were #5 at the time of the lock

PS: wasnt i just defending paladen in lb.. ? Guy is taking it personally, im out..

[Oranje]

PS: wasnt i just defending paladen in lb.. ? Guy is taking it personally, im out..

I meant twlj, twlb is a different thing

But it was pretty obvious that a guy from Asians will pop now and defend his squad as Paladen did before and hit did, now that soilderz is defending the fact that he was qualified on saturday aswell.

Fact is tho, that squads that were qualified on Saturday and kicked out on sunday, should have a chance to get qualified, since this issue has been caused by us staffers and the responsible department, and not Sweet / Disoblige.

You're doubleposting etc. But I am taking this personally? :<. Ur just repeating what u said earlier btw with the saturday sunday thing and I disagree... see my earlier posts...

[Soilderz]

Oranje why are you mentioning stuff that doesn't matter?
"A lot of things about the ladder can change every day, Paladen might have done this last week, but they did that Sunday... how is that different."

Lol? What is different? Saturday/Sunday was the ladder lock, thats the diffrence, and it's everything. You can't compare the last weekend to any weekend as this was the last deciding chance for the squads to make it to LD/LJ/LB and it was announced to be on Saturday and not Sunday. How can you not get it? You're the one being subjective towards Asians. If you would be in the situation like Diso / Sweet are you would be whining and appealing just as much.
How can it not be fair for everyone to do a mini tourny to see who is the best squad for the leagues? Scared you aren't good enough or what?