About Roster Lock + Disbanding Squads

[Ivan]

Originally posted by sTuPiD-gErBiL
1) according to epi, the roster lock was designed to keep people from ditching non-playoff teams and stacking playoff teams.
3) because of the roster lock, players are pressured into making a last-minute decision to stay on a shitty squad or leave for a squad with a better chance of winning
6) a new team from TWD replaces the failing TWL team, meaning you get a whole team of new TWL players (which opens a brilliant exploit in the roster lock)

The 3rd Rule you got there is true, I had so much pressure that last second but the only way I could do is dissolve, it was 7am, only one i could talk to is mostly Cpt.Guano

[Ivan]

Originally posted by Jonesy
War Angels is nothing like HCK, thank you very much.

1. - HCK was run by a moronic 8 yr old kid named Ivan.
- War Angels is run by a good player that has been around for a while and isn't a moron.

2. - HCK was around for 2 months and only based shitty squads
to get to the top ot TWBD.
- War Angels has been around for a year and will base anyone
who is up for a match when we got enough people online.

3. - HCK had just picked up a shit load of new members and most
of them were unloyal.
- The people in War Angels, excluding the Bohems that joined
us have pretty much been in the squad the entire time that its
been alive and are a very loyal group of friends.

4. - HCK dissolved after loosing one match in TWLB
- If War Angels gets into TWLB we will stay no matter how
many defeats we have and work towards improving rather
than calling it quits.

Jonesy that's it FUCKER, could you show some fucking respect to me fucker. Even though i am in TW for 6 months, does that mean anything you piece of shit? Did I ever say bad stuff to you asshole? Jesus fucking christ, it's just a god dam 2d game. 1 thing to clear is that we aren't going for twl first of all, but most of my peeps agreed, so just get experience. Next time when you post please learn how to type in a good manner.

For Example - NHL Playoffs (Most of the people knows) Ok! let's talk about the ducks, 7th place so what? Does that mean they can't beat others to move into Stanley Finals? ya let's go 2nd Example - Tampa Bay - This team sucks everyyear, does that mean they couldn't go in playoffs?

Even though some of those example won't make sense, but at least you get my meaning, and Jonesy, I AM NOT A FUCKING 8 YEARS OLD KID FUCKER.

THAT'S IT, I AM LEAVING TW, HAPPY?

[Sleepy Weasel]

Originally posted by sTuPiD-gErBiL


step-by-step, here we go:
1) according to epi, the roster lock was designed to keep people from ditching non-playoff teams and stacking playoff teams.
2) the purpose of that is to keep a fair level of competition going into the postseason while keeping lower tier squads alive.
3) because of the roster lock, players are pressured into making a last-minute decision to stay on a shitty squad or leave for a squad with a better chance of winning
4) multiply that on a league-wide scale and you have a high chance for a mass exodus from a lower tier team
5) a mass exodus will likely kill a lower tier team, thus negating the purpose established in points 1 and 2
6) a new team from TWD replaces the failing TWL team, meaning you get a whole team of new TWL players (which opens a brilliant exploit in the roster lock)
7) the former TWL players get kicked out of league for breaking no rules and for not following behavior that encourages the destruction of squads

That is perhaps the worst logic I've ever seen trying to be passed off as legitimate points. roster lock -> destruction of squads.... right, of course. Think about some things, for example #3 are you saying you'd prefer players be given the time to make their decision to stay on a shitty squad or leave for a squad with a better chance of winning all the way to week 10 right in time for playoffs. Because I have a hunch that might cause some problems. Or hell let's do one better to make sure people have the most time possible to make their decisions and not put on a roster lock until round 3 of the finals. You'll always have people ditching right before the deadline, it's just like the trade deadline in sports. There is always a flurry of trades right at the last hour. But you need a deadline at somepoint. The only possible alternative that might make sense is to lock it at week 1 of TWL, but that could leave some squads short on players. If a squad isn't already falling apart a roster lock isn't going to have any negative affect on the squad.


#6 is the only real issue that could cause some problem, but if squads do fall apart and then reenter they have to come in with a 0 - whatever record so I think that's still ok. If they are truly the best competition fine let them back in, with hopefully a squad that will stay together this time. Nothing wrong with that.

[Ivan]

Originally posted by Na$
I saw you saying something stupid about HCK. If HCK is fighting their asses off for a TWLB spot, why wouldnt they deserve the spot ? People in tw should encourage new squads to compete in twl's best league, if there are no better options available. If Cripples cant have enough players for TWLB, that wont make TWLB better. In fact a TWLB match would be more fun to watch if the match is actually 8 vs 8. And older squads will eventually die and players will leave this game. So its up to the new squads to keep this game alive. So it would be foolish to refuse new squads and or players just because the old ones want a second chance for their mismanagment. If a 7 year old kid like Iwan could do it, I expect the same at least from Wix and Utopia also.

Na$ / Nasir I love you :'(

[Sleepy Weasel]

Originally posted by Ivan

Even though some of those example won't make sense, but at least you get my meaning, and Jonesy, I AM NOT A FUCKING 8 YEARS OLD KID FUCKER.

THAT'S IT, I AM LEAVING TW, HAPPY?

ok this guy just beat you for worst logic ever.

[bloodzombie]

in all honesty, I don't even know who's on cripples, I have nothing against them.

The reason everyone felt the need to bail at the last minute was because they were on a sinking ship. Cripples leaders weren't leading, you guys had attendance issues from day one. Why is it that you're the only squad that's in this situation?

did dragonguard, no surrender or brits have a mass exodus? Maybe they did, and I don't know about it, I don't pay much attention to different squads, but as far as I know, they didn't.

I just can't fathom why you're looking to blame the rules even though your squad was falling apart from the start. the rules work perfectly if they weed out cripples, because you weren't showing up for matches, would that really change if you were allowed to stay in TWL and recruit? if so, why didn't it change in the first 5 weeks?

[Jack]

\o/ the man who puts the show on for us. Priitk.

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

Originally posted by Sleepy Weasel
That is perhaps the worst logic I've ever seen trying to be passed off as legitimate points. roster lock -> destruction of squads.... right, of course. Think about some things, for example #3 are you saying you'd prefer players be given the time to make their decision to stay on a shitty squad or leave for a squad with a better chance of winning all the way to week 10 right in time for playoffs. Because I have a hunch that might cause some problems. Or hell let's do one better to make sure people have the most time possible to make their decisions and not put on a roster lock until round 3 of the finals. You'll always have people ditching right before the deadline, it's just like the trade deadline in sports. There is always a flurry of trades right at the last hour. But you need a deadline at somepoint. The only possible alternative that might make sense is to lock it at week 1 of TWL, but that could leave some squads short on players. If a squad isn't already falling apart a roster lock isn't going to have any negative affect on the squad.

what you posted contradicts itself.. big time. first you say i have retarded logic for thinking the lock increases the chances of squads dying. then you go on to prove why it does. you said yourself that, just like in real life sports leagues, there's always flurries of trading activity around lock deadline. and since there's no money or contracts floating around in subspace-land, players are free to go whever they wish. the lock itself doesn't make teamhopping worse per se, but it makes the timing worse because a good majority of the transactions will occur at a time when the original squad will have very little time to recover. the actual date of the lock itself matters only in how easy it is to predict the playoff candidates... hence earlier lock would be better because the playoffs would still be fuzzy, but the problem of team collapse is still there. i'm not here to eradicate the roster lock, it's a very necessary rule. however, there needs to be either exception to aid a dying squad (whether it be an extension to recruit or allowing their old members to join other squads or to merge with a twd squad, etc) or there needs to be stiff penalties given to players who cause their old squad to fold.

and beez, try to think outside of the box. i'd hate for this situation to have to happen to pallies just to get you to realize this is quite capable of happening to any squad, regardless of how lazy the captains are. but then again, you said yourself that would've left very much in advance. i guess i just don't understand the teamhopper's standpoint fully.

[MaGi kOz]

I would just like to state that Cripples has not had any attendance problems since round 1 in every league, including Base. Round 5 was the only problematic week.

If you guys are talking about Attendance Issues from day one... What date exactly is day one? I don't remember having attendance problems except for Round 5, which was last week.

Somebody refresh my memory.

[bloodzombie]

Gerbz, I give up, what your saying makes absolutely no sense and you don't listen to logic, and you act like dropping out of twl to regroup is the end of the world.

then you go on to insinuate that I'm a squadhopper, which is even more insane than the rest of the stuff youre saying, if that's possible. I've been on the same squad for over 2 years, except for about a 1 month break in the middle somewhere.


the rules are fine, your squad hit a rough spot, pull out and regroup, it's not that complicated.

[Jason]

I really don't think he was trying to insinuate anything at all bz. I even re-read his post twice after reading yours, and I still don't see it. Anyway, gerbz seems to be making perfect sense to me, and I think all the poor guy wants is to see TWL set up like the RSHL, which, no matter what you say, is organized a thousand times better than TWL.

[Sleepy Weasel]

Originally posted by sTuPiD-gErBiL
what you posted contradicts itself.. big time. first you say i have retarded logic for thinking the lock increases the chances of squads dying. then you go on to prove why it does. you said yourself that, just like in real life sports leagues, there's always flurries of trading activity around lock deadline. and since there's no money or contracts floating around in subspace-land, players are free to go whever they wish. the lock itself doesn't make teamhopping worse per se, but it makes the timing worse because a good majority of the transactions will occur at a time when the original squad will have very little time to recover. the actual date of the lock itself matters only in how easy it is to predict the playoff candidates... hence earlier lock would be better because the playoffs would still be fuzzy, but the problem of team collapse is still there. i'm not here to eradicate the roster lock, it's a very necessary rule. however, there needs to be either exception to aid a dying squad (whether it be an extension to recruit or allowing their old members to join other squads or to merge with a twd squad, etc) or there needs to be stiff penalties given to players who cause their old squad to fold.

and beez, try to think outside of the box. i'd hate for this situation to have to happen to pallies just to get you to realize this is quite capable of happening to any squad, regardless of how lazy the captains are. but then again, you said yourself that would've left very much in advance. i guess i just don't understand the teamhopper's standpoint fully.

You're missing the fact that there won't be a mass exodus unless the squad is falling apart already. A flurry of trades doesn't mean max exodus. It means people leaving and other people joining. It doesn't prove that the lock helps lead to squad dissolving, as most squads gain players right before the trade deadline. acquisitions are higher than defections. In the rare case when everyone leaves and no one joins, then it's my opinion that the squad isn't stable enough for TWL. People don't all just decide to leave unless something is not working for that squad.

So ok I guess you're right that the roster lock can lead to a squad falling apart if that squad is having trouble or whatever reason all those guys left. But you suggest a max exodus from lower tier squad at the roster lock as everyone tries to jump on ship with a squad that has good chances and this results in the death of the smaller squad. Not really, because if they are lower tier than upper tier squads probably don't want more than 1 or 2 guys on the squad, so if they left they wouldn't have a place to go. The problem with cripples was they were an upper tier squad (in jav) so people who left were sought after. So why would a lot of people leave an upper tier squad, not to try and stack teams and win TWL, but because of problems in the squad. Thus I don't see a problem in the rules, but simply with the squad; so that's why I don't believe a rule change is necessary.

Extended recruiting process if a squad drops below a certain amount of people right before the roster lock.... maybe, but it seems risky that that squad will not be able to get things back together in time to provide competition, and it gives them a monopoly of any good players who are currently squadless. A bit unfair. It just seems like any rule changes to support a dying squad would cause more harm than good. One last point. The roster lock just prevents you from recruiting for TWL. You can still recruit, it's not like it "destroys squads" it just may get you kicked out of TWL for the 2nd half of the season, which isn't exactly the end of the world.

I suggest for next season just having a smaller number of TWL squads, which should help fix the problem.

[Miku19]

And I really mean it.

[Delectable]

I saw my name in this thread! lolollolo, Im sure you wont see this but Nas, u really should go kill ur self in real life. That would be funny. You whine alot. Why do u whine so much for?And about me and war angels, i joined them to just practice and play in twdd so that I could be rdy for twl matches on the weekends. Tyson didnt use me to "WiN" games. lollol Im not that good, sry. I wish i was. I thank you for that complement. Its 5am and im tired, im going to bed now. Bye nasir, sleep tight buddy. If you have any more problems, you let me know. lolol000l0l0l0l0lolololl

[Na$]

lol it wasnt really about you, it was about that some people were pretending that War Angels were so good and that HCK deserved nothing. So I pointed down some things that are worth discussing about war angels.