TWL Rule Changes

[Summa]

Those roster caps are very dumb as mega stated above. I see what you're trying to do. You're trying to make it so less people are on the squads competing in TWL so that more people will be available for your new Amateur League. I get it, it's cute. Unfortunately the Amateur League was attempted once before when the zone regularly had 450 ppl in it, and it didn't work then. Doubt it will now. However, the big problem is this: 10+ yr players don't care about actually playing, they just wanna be on squads with their long time friends. So if you make ppl trim rosters this hard, a lot of players won't join another squad just to play, they'll stay on their squad with their friends and continue to enjoy the game. All you're really doing is preventing bad salty vets like Beam from playing his 1 TWLD match a season vs the worst opponent in the league, and the entire squad laughing @ him as he fails.

But hey, if you think its worth a shot.

[Rasaq]

Are you a Dark Cabal member?

[Turban]

good night, dunderheads of trench wars.

dear staff of trench wars, please hear out my plea which may save lives in the near future. could you please stop acting like a bunch of claushouses and stop to think for a minute before acting. doing random decisions, such as the roster cap, is only harmful for the zone and will upset most of the old veteran players of trench wars.

however, if you insist on having a roster cap then please limit it to twl roster sizes only -- having a roster size of 55 but twl roster size of 20 to 30 wouldn't be too bad, and would let the old players who occasionally play a game or two remain on the roster to play games, plus it would let us recruit newbie players and train them midseason. having a roster cap in twd is bad for the zone, and should not be implemented again.

thank you, and thank you again.

[Pressure]

Those roster caps are very dumb as mega stated above. I see what you're trying to do. You're trying to make it so less people are on the squads competing in TWL so that more people will be available for your new Amateur League. I get it, it's cute. Unfortunately the Amateur League was attempted once before when the zone regularly had 450 ppl in it, and it didn't work then. Doubt it will now. However, the big problem is this: 10+ yr players don't care about actually playing, they just wanna be on squads with their long time friends. So if you make ppl trim rosters this hard, a lot of players won't join another squad just to play, they'll stay on their squad with their friends and continue to enjoy the game. All you're really doing is preventing bad salty vets like Beam from playing his 1 TWLD match a season vs the worst opponent in the league, and the entire squad laughing @ him as he fails.

Sorry Summa, but you are entirely mislead if you came up with a response like this.

First of all, the roster caps were put in place to increase competition, activity, and to spread out the upper talent that tends to condense on just 1-3 squads. The idea is that not only do squads not need 35 players to compete, but the zone in its current state can't afford to allow squads to horde 35 players. Theoretically, 10 players kicked off of 5 squads that had 35+ players each is going to put at least 50 players into free agency. Either these free agents can help beef up weaker squads, or, as hoped, they can go a step further and start new squads. The roster cap, from my perspective, isn't related to the amateur league.

As far as the amateur league "failing in the past," uh, how can you even cite that as an attempt? I was like 14 years old when I began trying to organize and run TWIB, and I was without staff's support. It was obviously bound to fail. TWIB isn't an example that you can use in this argument since you and the rest of staff didn't even help me - despite the fact that I had 8-10 squads ready to play. I do, however, agree that the chances of the amateur league being successful are slim due to the diminishing population.

I also entirely disagree with your comment that "people don't even care about playing, they just want to play with their friends." Sure, there are plenty of people who just log to chat and play with friends. However, the 30-50 people that stay online bd'ing until 2am when TWL is 5 months away are surely not included in this categorization. There are plenty of people who are still hungry for titles, or else there wouldn't be 200-300 people in TW daily (and even more during TWL). The competition was good last season, and IMO will be even better with this tighter roster cap. I know that you held a high position in staff for years, but maybe you should come out of hiatus and observe the conditions of TW/TWL for a few months before you make claims like this.

[Summa]

Sorry Summa, but you are entirely mislead if you came up with a response like this.

First of all, the roster caps were put in place to increase competition, activity, and to spread out the upper talent that tends to condense on just 1-3 squads. The idea is that not only do squads not need 35 players to compete, but the zone in its current state can't afford to allow squads to horde 35 players. Theoretically, 10 players kicked off of 5 squads that had 35+ players each is going to put at least 50 players into free agency. Either these free agents can help beef up weaker squads, or, as hoped, they can go a step further and start new squads. The roster cap, from my perspective, isn't related to the amateur league.

As far as the amateur league "failing in the past," uh, how can you even cite that as an attempt? I was like 14 years old when I began trying to organize and run TWIB, and I was without staff's support. It was obviously bound to fail. TWIB isn't an example that you can use in this argument since you and the rest of staff didn't even help me - despite the fact that I had 8-10 squads ready to play. I do, however, agree that the chances of the amateur league being successful are slim due to the diminishing population.

I also entirely disagree with your comment that "people don't even care about playing, they just want to play with their friends." Sure, there are plenty of people who just log to chat and play with friends. However, the 30-50 people that stay online bd'ing until 2am when TWL is 5 months away are surely not included in this categorization. There are plenty of people who are still hungry for titles, or else there wouldn't be 200-300 people in TW daily (and even more during TWL). The competition was good last season, and IMO will be even better with this tighter roster cap. I know that you held a high position in staff for years, but maybe you should come out of hiatus and observe the conditions of TW/TWL for a few months before you make claims like this.

Sorry, but look at TWLB and TWD. As population has diminished, people have centralized, not spread out. Attempting to force them to spread has not worked in the past. Squads such as Thunder, Spastic, Dice, and Penetrate have kept massive TWD rosters and not had players leave just cuz they wouldn't be put on TWL rosters. Your argument is very ill informed.

And to say the two are unrelated is dumb, and TWI sucked.

[Pressure]

Sorry, but look at TWLB and TWD. As population has diminished, people have centralized, not spread out. Attempting to force them to spread has not worked in the past. Squads such as Thunder, Spastic, Dice, and Penetrate have kept massive TWD rosters and not had players leave just cuz they wouldn't be put on TWL rosters. Your argument is very ill informed.

And to say the two are unrelated is dumb, and TWI sucked.

How are the two related? One is run by staff, the other was run by an inexperienced 14 year old.

I think you're ill-informed. I've been talking to more and more people who are looking to get playing time this season of TWL and not bench on a roster full of their "friends." Yeah, people have centralized, but that is precisely what has caused the competition to diminish. This is what the rule changes are trying to combat.

[Summa]

How are the two related? One is run by staff, the other was run by an inexperienced 14 year old.

I think you're ill-informed. I've been talking to more and more people who are looking to get playing time this season of TWL and not bench on a roster full of their "friends." Yeah, people have centralized, but that is precisely what has caused the competition to diminish. This is what the rule changes are trying to combat.

believe what you will, only time will show who's right. and i am confident that with diminishing populations and turnout every year that i shall be victorious.

and are you joking? unrelated?
The creation of a rule that lowers the overall # of participants allowed in TWL and the creation of a league for those not participating in TWL. That is a direct relation. It is an attempt to forcefully drive a wedge in the population instead of centralizing it into one solid league.

[Ricko]

if the roster cap is so drastically dropping then the amount of squads in twl needs to increase from 8/8/8. If not then the people you claim who will get axed/trimmed off of their squad's roster and then go to a weaker squad will in fact find they have no where to go, or if they do go somewhere then they'll be making another player who has fought for their position on the 'weaker' squad be dropped from that squad in turn.

If you want more people playing twl and being involved then isn't the solution obviously to increase the amount of squads per league?

[Tiny]

if the roster cap is so drastically dropping then the amount of squads in twl needs to increase from 8/8/8. If not then the people you claim who will get axed/trimmed off of their squad's roster and then go to a weaker squad will in fact find they have no where to go, or if they do go somewhere then they'll be making another player who has fought for their position on the 'weaker' squad be dropped from that squad in turn.

If you want more people playing twl and being involved then isn't the solution obviously to increase the amount of squads per league?

The man has a point. if your are trimming the roster caps, (however excessive, irrational, or over the top it may be), you need to make room for those new players and have more squads in twl. If I had to guess, you could take the "2nd string" of real,thunder,dice last season and make 3 more javs lineups that would instantly become #4,5,6 on new squads if you watched them through a whole season. That being said, they will take over the spot of people that were already 4,5,6 and bump them down the line and so on. Where do those people go? Like I said already, you need more room if you creating more players for twl rather than bench warmers. Your thoughts are in the right place, however not completely thought out. If your going to make changes like this you need to be open to change to enhance it.

[veetee]

AN AWESOME POST*

If you don't want to drag regular season forever with many squads involved, you could split it into two divisions.

Example:

16 squads with two-way split gives 8 squads per division (just random numbers, might as well split only 14 or even 12 squads if you want to)
Top 4 (for example) in each division advance into playoffs
Seed #1 from division A plays seed #4 from divison B
Seed #2 from A plays seed #3 from B and so on.

Hence you have 7 weeks of regular season (+1 week for postponed matches) and 3 weeks of playoffs. Maybe then your proposed roster caps -might- work, but it's still up for further disussion and tests.

This way you don't have to experiment with amateur league and have the majority involved, whereas regular season games are much more imporatnt. System just like in volleyball (inspired by poland getting raped during olympics this year) or something similar.

And i'm still down to start twl during fall because the waiting (so it starts like last year) is going to harm zone's activity (see ricko's post).

Like this post if you support this idea.

*grammar not included, was in a hurry

[Ardour]

I hate the idea of this amateur league. It's such a nice thought to allow players of lesser skill and experience to take part in Twl but it cheapens Twl and its exactly what Twl stands against.

If a squad qualifies for Twl that isnt good enough, they are always torn apart by the better teams and its acceptable. But to create a league especially to allow a squad to represent this is stupid. If they aren't good enough to make a squad and qualify for Twl when we have such few squads in twd as it is, then they shouldn't be in Twl end of story!

Ps - Qualifying squads should be 10/10/8. As everyone is constantly saying, if we want more amateurs in Twl, increase the squads taking part. Simple.

[Jones]

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this isn't facebook

[Vatican Assassin]

Make the TWL limits 20 for 1 league, 25 for 2, 30 for 3.

Do it now.

Put on the TWD page a set of boxes for caps to check if the player is on the TWL roster. Put a TWL symbol next to the players names who are checked. Do it now. I said this last year. If you wait until TWL comes to enact this, no players will leave until TWL starts, no players will get axed until TWL starts, no new squads will have had time to form, get points, practice, become as one. If you wait more than a month to simply put some form of TWL roster the on TWD.trenchwars.org page, then you might as well not change a damn thing because nothing will come of it.

Aura you have had one month to listen to replies, no one wants limits lowered to 20 for 2 leagues. Everyone agrees 35 for 1 league is too much. Take the middle road, compromise, and for the love of god do it today.

I don't care about the amateur league because I'm a fucking vet who listens to the braveheart sound track while I make forum posts, but are you planning on doubling the # of games on Sundays? On asking staff to host amateur games as well as TWL?

[Zeebu]

get your practicality out of here you förstengrüber

[megaman89]

Make the TWL limits 20 for 1 league, 25 for 2, 30 for 3.

Do it now.

Put on the TWD page a set of boxes for caps to check if the player is on the TWL roster. Put a TWL symbol next to the players names who are checked. Do it now. I said this last year. If you wait until TWL comes to enact this, no players will leave until TWL starts, no players will get axed until TWL starts, no new squads will have had time to form, get points, practice, become as one. If you wait more than a month to simply put some form of TWL roster the on TWD.trenchwars.org page, then you might as well not change a damn thing because nothing will come of it.

Aura you have had one month to listen to replies, no one wants limits lowered to 20 for 2 leagues. Everyone agrees 35 for 1 league is too much. Take the middle road, compromise, and for the love of god do it today.

I don't care about the amateur league because I'm a fucking vet who listens to the braveheart sound track while I make forum posts, but are you planning on doubling the # of games on Sundays? On asking staff to host amateur games as well as TWL?

This 100%, whoever came up with these numbers is a complete idiot like I said before. 20 for 2 leagues...lol