Axe reckful

[Crescent Seal]

static burn is a legend

[fiS]

Tiny's appeal is still fucking retarded but this shouldn't even be an appeal? Host should have killed game right then and there and given the win to raid if they had at least 7 players, doesn't matter what a captain thinks.

Since Dudgeon is so furious about this, I'll share what happened from my point of view.

1. I added everyone available and we had 6 players.
2. I pm'd Sheriff and he told me we only need 5.
3. We played the first 12 minutes or so with only 6.
4. 2 more players showed up and we finished the match 8v8.

At no point did the host or Raid's captains say anything was wrong (at least to our squad), so we just played the match out.
I know you guys are butthurt because this may affect your ability to qualify for playoffs, but you didn't play the game.
Since we played the whole game out it should be up to Raid to decide whether they want to appeal it or not.
They don't, so the game results should stand.

Good day sirs

correct. the only problem i see with it is that the host has given false information. it could have been prevented from the start - and if it would have, then cobra would have forfeited. this was not even the reason for the official decision. in fact, the game was played under wrong circumstances.
even though there was false information, this decision is wrong in every aspect i look at it.

[Dreamwin]

At no point did the host or Raid's captains say anything was wrong (at least to our squad), so we just played the match out.

We did complain about it to host, nothing was done.

I know you guys are butthurt because this may affect your ability to qualify for playoffs, but you didn't play the game.
Since we played the whole game out it should be up to Raid to decide whether they want to appeal it or not.

They obv haven't cared about anything in LB since thix left. Playing with 5 wbs and shit, so yeah prolly they wont care. We care. It has huge effect in our squad's situation, prolly being most important thing during whole season(yet). So I think we deserve a right to appeal it.

And again its not against the rules. So yeah, that shouldn't change anything.

PS. I was PMing with M_M god yesterday. And pretty much all I got for an answer was the same things reckful claimed in other thread and cold "You are not going to win this". It's sad.. Just so fcking sad..

[zidane]

regardless needing 7 to start is stupid, if you need 4 for LJ that is most likely based on the fact you only need 4 to start a game in TWJD. In a twbd you only need 5 to start the match even if it's an 8v8, why wouldn't it be the same for lb. I'm going to assume that's why the host thought Cobra only needed 5 because it's a logical assumption.

tiny how are you guys still butthurt? you guys got spanked move on

[Tiny]

tiny how are you guys still butthurt? you guys got spanked move on

What's sad is that you still think the game was fair and legit. No matter how trivial you may think, it doesnt change the fact that the game was affected. So enjoy your frivolous win, that means absolutely nothing, and take away the only thing holding this game together (competition). How desperate are you for an obviously flawed victory, that in the end means nothing besides being a complete waste of everyone's time, which is what this season is turning out to be. Instead of trolling the forum, you should actually think of the door this has opened for future seasons. TWL obviously has holes in the rules, that doesnt mean people need to abuse it. What happened to just good fun and competition. I enjoy good trash talk and having fun, but this whole thing is a joke.

[Jeenyuss]

i pretty much entirely agree with rednaz's post. as for the reasoning to not succumb to the appeal it gets pretty murky. why would raid want a replay? they don't give a shit about twlb - didn't they ask to be removed only to have humid basically say nah that's cool? since the mistake wasn't caught before it was made, a replay would be a satisfactory response but impossible as raid clearly doesn't want one. essentially staff is claiming that the appeal is denied because they didn't catch their own fuck up.

regardless needing 7 to start is stupid, if you need 4 for LJ that is most likely based on the fact you only need 4 to start a game in TWJD. In a twbd you only need 5 to start the match even if it's an 8v8, why wouldn't it be the same for lb. I'm going to assume that's why the host thought Cobra only needed 5 because it's a logical assumption.

not as familiar with twlj or twld but 6s is significantly different than 7s when it comes to twlb. even though most games in the last few seasons of twbd are played with 6s, it wasn't always the case, and competition for 7s and 8s games is significantly different than 6s. i mean, you can still pull off a single-shark win in 6s. that's usually not as possible in 7s or 8s.

i think dudgeon's players have ground for the appeal and i think the appeal should've been granted. just my two cents, though.

also tiny, this isn't your fuckin thread so shut the fuck up.

[Tiny]

also tiny, this isn't your fuckin thread so shut the fuck up.

As this thread has no real aim besides to flame twl ops for making another crap ass decision, i believe im in the right place.

[Reaver]

This whole game is full of a bunch of whiney crybabies that will do anything and everything to win something, fair or not. We didn't appeal the TWLB match because 1) We don't care about LB and 2) THEY BEAT US FAIR AND SQUARE. Why does every whiney bitch and their cousin come out of the woodworks citing rule 1.03243AB section 22 just so that they can weasel their way into a win (or forcing another team into a loss). The bottom line is that regardless of any rule that anybody can state, cobra is a better LB squad than we are, nobody disagrees with this and most importantly, they proved this yesterday. Cite whatever rule you want, you know they deserve the win over us and thats part of the reason I won't appeal.

[Tiny]

I understand where your coming from reaver, but just because this is about your squad, doesnt mean it's all about your squad. Make sense?

[Shaddowknight]

why hope for next season? this one isnt over yet.
rules are rules. and they "worked" for years. either one adjust the rules before the game, or one sticks to the rules during the game. making new rules during the game is not fair for nobody.

I dont have faith in our current ops to change how things have been done this season. The complete void of cummincation has been astounding (was soft/hard lock affected by the Super Bowl break? [to say nothing of the lack of annoucement that locks would be happening on certain days] will we break for Easter? Why change the number of teams in TWL this year?)
Yes, the rules have worked,but you need people in charge who will actually care to abide by them instead of being lazy and making whatever decision they feel like making at the time based on their own thoughts.

[ogron]

This rule is stupid, as this game has proven, and should be eliminated. Cobra won fair and square, and people can log on late and help achieve a victory, as they proved yesterday. You should be able to start a TWL game with any number you want -- if the opposing team can't beat you 6v8 or 3v5 they don't deserve the win (Quicksand won a full LD game years ago 4v5 the entire match -- Fierce could probably 3v5 several squads in LD this year.)

Let's be honest here -- we all know Cobra deserved to win, so mods moved backwards from that conclusion to find a hypothesis to justify not applying a very obvious, clear-stated rule. They did not have the required amount of players to start the game, and the rules state they are automatically disqualified -- it's about as clear-cut of an appeal as I've ever seen.

The rules have been inconsistently applied for years, so this is really nothing new, mods always prioritize what they "feel" is right rather than explicitly following the regulations laid out in writing. Should overhaul the Rules section, simplify it to like 1-page, and give TWL Ops more final say given any unique situation -- something they already do.

The TWL ops justification for denying the appeal was bullshit, Dudgeon's appeal is 100% valid -- but frankly I'd rather mods use their heads than blindly follow the rules. The right call was made. Avoid this situation in the future -- Change the Rules.

[Riverside]

my god what a bunch of babies, is this seriously a thread

[Summa]

although i don't really agree with the topic title, here's my toughts on this. (they don't really matter, but what ever.)
the decision and the situation is sort of comparable to what happened with the ventrilo incidident, - at least i compare them, and i get fascinating results.

the decisions alone, without the history behind them, are not really thought through and really contradictive. does anyone else notice?
for the vent you go with "the player who did this will be punished. appeal denied though"
that's super contradictive. if it apparently didn't affect ventrilo/gameplay at all, then why ban him? and if it took enough to ban him, why wouldn't you accept the appeal? well, is all the hassle justified? probably not, since both squads will make the playoffs anyway. but the decision has been really contradictive.

I can't really speak too much toward the decision made on this weeks appeal, but this is the most uninformed post I have read in a long time; and it makes me believe that you are sipping disown's cool-aid. The appeal was denied under 1 rule's governance and he was banned under another. What was done was not enough to significantly effect gameplay, as the appeal thread clearly stated; however why he was banned was under the case of 2 separate rules: 1 falls under the harassment category and the other clearly states that attempted tampering with TWL matches (regardless of success or not) results in a ban. There was absolutely no contradiction, but hey feel free to continue to read other people's opinions and not the facts.

As for this appeal. My opinion is of 0 value here, but from my understanding there's two issues at hand: 1) should an appeal be considered if the squad that lost has 0 desire to even appeal? - My personal answer is yes. 2) which rule should take precedence, the 7v8 minimum -> forfeit or the host fucked up -> replay - My opinion would have been, since cobra asked the host in the log multiple times if it was ok to start 6v8, that the replay probably should take precedence over the forfeit. Again, I had/have 0 say in this though for obv reasons.

[Zizzo]

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[Shaddowknight]

Avoid this situation in the future -- Change the Rules.

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