Axe reckful

[maketso]

Given humid is currently a member of Cobra and his opinion is not given on this. The remaining TWL staff has decided the following.
Appeal Denied
Cobra is officially warned for not adding the required amount of players for TWLB.

For those wanting a more in-depth reasoning behind this being denied can continue reading. Immediately following this game first off, I asked Reaver if he wanted to appeal based on this rule and raid declined giving the win to Cobra. After reading the logs for this game the host misinformed cobra as to the minimum number of players they may add to this game saying it was 5 instead of 7 which puts the error on TWstaff for them adding the incorrect number play this game and as such they will receive only a warning as they quickly went to 8v8 as they began losing this game.

A guy who is hosting TWL but does not know TWL rules is denying appeal based on "I screwd up". I can't believe TWL has come to this.
Please get rid of this newb and the other useless hosts that did not bother using 5 minutes of their time and actually reading TWL rules at the start of this season.

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[Burnt]

[Tiny]

warning - translation - Just want you to know officially, we are not doing a damn thing about it.

[Dreamwin]

Given humid is currently a member of Cobra and his opinion is not given on this. The remaining TWL staff has decided the following.
Appeal Denied
Cobra is officially warned for not adding the required amount of players for TWLB.

For those wanting a more in-depth reasoning behind this being denied can continue reading. Immediately following this game first off, I asked Reaver if he wanted to appeal based on this rule and raid declined giving the win to Cobra. After reading the logs for this game the host misinformed cobra as to the minimum number of players they may add to this game saying it was 5 instead of 7 which puts the error on TWstaff for them adding the incorrect number play this game and as such they will receive only a warning as they quickly went to 8v8 as they began losing this game

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I tried to reply. "Thread closed". You just want to swipe this undet the mat? I think this is prolly the most clear appeal TWL has seen in a long time and yet you deny it in 1 day?

Immediately following this game first off, I asked Reaver if he wanted to appeal based on this rule and raid declined giving the win to Cobra

It's not his decision. It doesnt say anywhere on rules that it has to be Reaver(in this case) who appeals. There isnt a rule where a captain can say "we give the win to them".

After reading the logs for this game the host misinformed cobra as to the minimum number of players they may add to this game saying it was 5 instead of 7 which puts the error on TWstaff for them adding the incorrect number play this game

The rules can be changed if the host doesnt follow them? What's the point of that? You guys know you are wrong, your just scared of humid or something and making this bs reasons.


I wish I could argue in finnish cuz I would have ALOT more to say to you fucks. For the one last time rules state the following:

3.05a Warnings & Forfeits
II) A squad is allowed to play 5 vs. 4 (TWLD and TWLJ) or 8 vs. 7 (TWLB), but if a squad is unable to provide the minimum number of players for a game, the match will be forfeited. If it happens again in the same league division, the squad will be terminated from that league division.

How is that unclear to you? Are you fucking retarded or something? Again, you based your denial on reaver not wanting to appeal and him "giving" the win to cobra? I tried to explain this above. If it's like that on behalf of dudgeon I would like to donate rest of our LB game victories to the opposing team. Ima just give them the wins, since that's cool. We dont want to play in this joke league anymore.

Any non-cobra member feeling me on this?

I've had respect towards staff and i've been staff myself but this. Joke. You can just change the rules whenever you want to or base your denial on something that has nothing to with anything.

Fuck off, hope you all the worst in future fgts.

[Hydride]

I feel you DW. How about we just say fuck it and let cobra AND dudgeon in.

Guys got 11 mins vs penetrate and 14 vs revenge. Clearly they can compete with the hard hitters. Make TWL as exciting as can be .

[2pac]

Fuck reckful fuck tw staff they useless no pop coming in they worthless.

[Shaddowknight]

I feel you DW. How about we just say fuck it and let cobra AND dudgeon in.

Guys got 11 mins vs penetrate and 14 vs revenge. Clearly they can compete with the hard hitters. Make TWL as exciting as can be .

This isn't teeball, horseshoes, or hand grenades. Almost doesn't count. A number of teams make it, a number do not, thats tue way the cookie crumbles.

As for this whole appeal, I wasnt online for most of the day so i cant say for sure what haplened behind the scenes staff-wise. Only info I got is what ive read on the forums.

[fiS]

although i don't really agree with the topic title, here's my toughts on this. (they don't really matter, but what ever.)
the decision and the situation is sort of comparable to what happened with the ventrilo incidident, - at least i compare them, and i get fascinating results.

the decisions alone, without the history behind them, are not really thought through and really contradictive. does anyone else notice?
for the vent you go with "the player who did this will be punished. appeal denied though"
that's super contradictive. if it apparently didn't affect ventrilo/gameplay at all, then why ban him? and if it took enough to ban him, why wouldn't you accept the appeal? well, is all the hassle justified? probably not, since both squads will make the playoffs anyway. but the decision has been really contradictive.

now to topic, regarding this appeal.
again, the decision is contradictive. "cobra will be warned/punished. appeal denied though"
then why do you warn cobra, if it's not really replay-worthy at all? i totally understand all your arguing. the rules CLEARLY state something absolutely different. i don't know why and who thought of this decision. and i dont know where this season is going to go?

im pretty sorry to say this, and i dont want to fall into your back guys, but what the hell does it take to make a STRICT and NON-CONTRADICTIVE decision (following twl rules)? for the vent thing, that wasn't clearly stated in the rules, so either way is fine. either a "no ban - deny" or a "ban - accept".
for this here - which is super clearly stated in the rules - i really can not understand how this decision could be agreed on.

ps: for the "reaver said give the game to cobra"-thing... he was super frustrated after the game, knowing that raid lost their chance to make playoffs, so what the hell did you expect, and please, what 1 person says should not matter at all for a squad.

[Shaddowknight]

I think its pretty fair to say this season has been a continual string of fuckups and miscommunications (or complete lack of communication)

Just go with it and hope next season we have a competant head for TWL.

[Tiny]

although i don't really agree with the topic title, here's my toughts on this. (they don't really matter, but what ever.)
the decision and the situation is sort of comparable to what happened with the ventrilo incidident, - at least i compare them, and i get fascinating results.

the decisions alone, without the history behind them, are not really thought through and really contradictive. does anyone else notice?
for the vent you go with "the player who did this will be punished. appeal denied though"
that's super contradictive. if it apparently didn't affect ventrilo/gameplay at all, then why ban him? and if it took enough to ban him, why wouldn't you accept the appeal? well, is all the hassle justified? probably not, since both squads will make the playoffs anyway. but the decision has been really contradictive.

now to topic, regarding this appeal.
again, the decision is contradictive. "cobra will be warned/punished. appeal denied though"
then why do you warn cobra, if it's not really replay-worthy at all? i totally understand all your arguing. the rules CLEARLY state something absolutely different. i don't know why and who thought of this decision. and i dont know where this season is going to go?

im pretty sorry to say this, and i dont want to fall into your back guys, but what the hell does it take to make a STRICT and NON-CONTRADICTIVE decision (following twl rules)? for the vent thing, that wasn't clearly stated in the rules, so either way is fine. either a "no ban - deny" or a "ban - accept".
for this here - which is super clearly stated in the rules - i really can not understand how this decision could be agreed on.

ps: for the "reaver said give the game to cobra"-thing... he was super frustrated after the game, knowing that raid lost their chance to make playoffs, so what the hell did you expect, and please, what 1 person says should not matter at all for a squad.

Can a decision be appealed or overturned? Both these appeal decisions are fucking useless.

[Tiny]

for the vent you go with "the player who did this will be punished. appeal denied though"that's super contradictive. if it apparently didn't affect ventrilo/gameplay at all, then why ban him? and if it took enough to ban him, why wouldn't you accept the appeal?

Not to bring up old shit, but what's worse about our appeal is that 1) the player was on the opposing squad 2) The player is not even elligible to play TWL this season, so banning him doesnt matter for shit. Hey you fucked our game up?! Well, now you cant play anymore. Wait just a fucking minute, you can't play anyways so I guess the jokes on us.

Can we impeach TWL Ops? TW dying already, lets keep making dumbass decisions that piss off the few remaining players that are left. Thats a great idea.

[fiS]

I think its pretty fair to say this season has been a continual string of fuckups and miscommunications (or complete lack of communication)

Just go with it and hope next season we have a competant head for TWL.

why hope for next season? this one isnt over yet.
rules are rules. and they "worked" for years. either one adjust the rules before the game, or one sticks to the rules during the game. making new rules during the game is not fair for nobody.

Can a decision be appealed or overturned? Both these appeal decisions are fucking useless.

i wish i could answer you tiny, but i dont know.
as far as i know both humid and reckful are heading twl, and m_m god is a supervisor or something. i think disown is a twl guy too. humid apparently is excluded from this decision due to possible bias (which makes sense).
i got no idea how this current decision was agreed on and by who, if there was votes, or whatever. so i got absolutely no clue.

i believe though that it is pretty unlikely that someone is going to step up and overtone this decision, even though, one might or might not (o_O) notice that its based on no ground and really making this season looking like a huge joke.

Not to bring up old shit, but what's worse about our appeal is that 1) the player was on the opposing squad 2) The player is not even elligible to play TWL this season, so banning him doesnt matter for shit. Hey you fucked our game up?! Well, now you cant play anymore. Wait just a fucking minute, you can't play anyways so I guess the jokes on us.

Can we impeach TWL Ops? TW dying already, lets keep making dumbass decisions that piss off the few remaining players that are left. Thats a great idea.

the old shit is the reason why i didnt go into too much detail regarding what i said, but yes, i get the message tiny. =/

[Infrared]

Since Dudgeon is so furious about this, I'll share what happened from my point of view.

1. I added everyone available and we had 6 players.
2. I pm'd Sheriff and he told me we only need 5.
3. We played the first 12 minutes or so with only 6.
4. 2 more players showed up and we finished the match 8v8.

At no point did the host or Raid's captains say anything was wrong (at least to our squad), so we just played the match out.
I know you guys are butthurt because this may affect your ability to qualify for playoffs, but you didn't play the game.
Since we played the whole game out it should be up to Raid to decide whether they want to appeal it or not.
They don't, so the game results should stand.

Good day sirs

[RednaZ]

Tiny's appeal is still fucking retarded but this shouldn't even be an appeal? Host should have killed game right then and there and given the win to raid if they had at least 7 players, doesn't matter what a captain thinks.

[Ephemeral]

In b4 Supreme says, “In b4 Eph starts about the rules”
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