LJ finals

[Ephemeral]

I don't blame the people who volunteer to do things like run a league but it is easy to pretend that this is the problem. As the zone slowly declines it loses more than just population; it loses the resources which it needs to keep it running. It is not like any of this stuff runs by itself, for various reasons everything (pub, leagues, events, etc.) in TW takes a lot of man-power to keep them working properly. The zone has gotten more complex, but it certainly hasn't gotten any easier to manage or run. We have a zone full of half-baked shit with all kinds of issues in each feature. Add to that the fact that we also have a large group of players who will exploit any/every thing they can find and you end up with even more problems.

At some point it might be worth rethinking the approach of constantly adding more stuff when we can't even run the stuff we have correctly. Identify the features the zone really wants to build on moving forward, fix them, find (bring back) the right people to run them, resist adding more new leagues, and consider cutting back some stuff like TWLM, etc.
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[Shaddowknight]

Its almost like eph was at our upperstaff meeting this weekend

[Jones]

congrats to pandora for winning lj. nice hosting by LF, great job man.

[maketso]

I DID NOT FUCKING DIE IN THE LB I WARPED AFTER BOTS DIED SERIOUSLY PANDAS??? WHO GOT THE TEK? no one. now stfu and get real

and zid u dumb fucking retard we were leading by 3-6 when i was subbed

[maketso]

and turban LOL "don't fucking take the advantage and ruin the game for everyone with your temporary lag issues. " Only reason your shitty squad was on lj finals was your awesome lagcheats in semis

[kess]

Only reason your shitty squad was on lj finals was your awesome lagcheats in semis

i wont talk about the rest, and just say that maketso's lag was NOWHERE near what turban's lag was in semis, and the double standard used was absolutely pathetic. turban's rnd3 semis game vs value was BY FAR the worse lag i have ever seen in twl play, considering u were allowed to stay in, and i can confortably say that turban was the biggest reason they won that game. kudos to turban for subbing himself out in rnd1.

i absolutely feel bad for every squad that participated in the finals, and value for that rnd3 game, staff messed up hard, double standard used and no common sense at all

[roxxkatt]

why the fuck is there any discussion

turb [s]got kicked from[/s] subbed himself out of round 1 for a 350ms and maketso got kicked from round 3 for a 500ms
turb got rid of his lag and played again

[Rule]

Yesterday was an absolute travesty in the history of TWL and the rest of our zone. Terrible decisions were made repeatedly, most of them entirely unilaterally with zero input and zero communication to/from the rest of the league staff that was online from what I've gathered. I don't think anyone could have even dreamt up the scenario we all had to go through yesterday and it was an incredibly difficult time to be a staffer. Reckful certainly deserves his fair share of shit for how this went yesterday, but anything and everything that happened during the LJ was not him, that was me. It's certainly no secret who I wanted to win but I made a solid effort to give both teams a fair shot at the title. Apparently turban asked for a sub round 1, which is all for the better because he was about to be force-subbed by me regardless. I am also the one responsible for forcing the maketso sub in round 3. If anything I probably did dice a favor because I guarantee he would have lagged out for a +1 with the spikes he was having. I sent both squads a PM before the game that went something like "Make sure your players lag are legit, because I do not want to play a role in this game if I don't have to". I checked every single players lag every 15 seconds for the entire 3 rounds to stay on top of it, so all the comments I've gotten about "I can't believe you let turban play round 3" is bullshit, as are all the people crying about stayons "lag" can fuck off as far as Im concerned. In response to OP, don't blame me for swaying the tide of the game blame the players to didn't fulfill their potential in the game itself (4-3 to 4-10 before the sub even happened).

tl;dr version: Fuck pandora. Zidane still sucks. Mythril is a nice guy. Congrats on winning LJ.

Edit: Kudos to both squads for not giving me a hard time when asked to do something. I do know what I am doing and the mutual respect (despite personal feelings) is exactly what this zone needs more of in order to succeed.

Thanks for the explanation. I know it’s not an easy or fun job to do but I think you should have left the game alone, and screwed it up at a critical time. If Maketso was going to lag out and cost his team then that's what should have happened.

I agree with the dicers who think a double standard was used regarding turbans lag. It clearly was. We saw it in semis and we saw it earlier in season.

I don’t think any of these laggots should be allowed to play in crucial games. That’s probably the only way we would have fair games. Imagine dice without stayon and make in, pandora without dreamwin and turban in. Imagine if squads actually had to play players with normal connects instead of ones who are constantly checking with staff if the can play with their crappy connects. They have 30+ players OMG - they can’t add a best or a fieryfire.

"We already won lj and lb fairly, if anyone is being punished its pandora for this zone not giving us credit. Turban wasn't lagging, we talked to the host (LF) and he said turbs lag was "Amazing", so i'm not sure who you think was lagging badly enough to make the game unfair. dice kinda just fell apart, they started falling apart way before maketso was subbed out. In terms of LD that was out of our hands and we will play it on a day that works for both teams, we tried to play today but the zone has been getting ddos'd probably because everyone hates pandora ".

Zidane continues to confirm what I see about him that he is an embarrassment of a captain, a tool, a troll and a total retard that has tunnel vision. He deserves no respect. Useless pos - LOL.
He will happily crawl away with whatever half assed pathetic ddosed victory he can get.

That’s an example of the shitty captains we have now in TWL. More interested in getting the W then having an authentic win. Too afraid to do a replay, to cowardly lol.

Ephemeral is right the structure of the zone and the leagues is falling apart because not enough solid people are in place to hold it up and run it like it should be. Nowadays its about cheater calls, and Pandora nerds crying and trolling till they get their way. Whether it in game, or on the boards. This whole weekend should have been postponed and redone. Worst TWL in 18 seasons.

[zidane]

rule you sound mad as hell you haven't been able to win anything in years and you constantly try to diminish pandora's wins, you did the same thing last year. you need to move on

[Rule]

rule you sound mad as hell you haven't been able to win anything in years and you constantly try to diminish pandora's wins, you did the same thing last year. you need to move on

Zidane you sound like yourself, the usual trolling pos. I am not mad, but I do enjoy pointing out what a retard you are. I have not been "Active" in years, but the last time we did faceoff, you got smacked around and knocked out in both leagues, after trolling and pming me out of blue that whole season and for years previously. Even retired now, I can leave the game for 5 months and guarantee that when I am back in arena I have you pming me and messaging me in pub. What a useless turd you are. You thrive on the drama and being a retard. You set a good example for what a TWL cap should not be, trolling with your butt buddies steadman and beam. You are a total embarassment Zidane.

[zidane]

yea winning multiples titles year after year, i'm such a bad captain. get over yourself rule, washed up dinosaur

[Rule]

yea winning multiples titles year after year, i'm such a bad captain. get over yourself rule, washed up dinosaur

Get over yourself Zidane. I remember you begging to join squads I had a leadership role in, and insisting that I form a squad with you and turning you down because I never like your lack of character and trolling.

TWLs a joke. Being a champion in the current league means nothing. So continue to think your special, insult as many people as you can in game and on boards. No more than a troll zidane. Crawl away with your twl medals. This league will be done in a few short years, because their is nothing worth competing for anymore. No reason for authentic vets to be involved. Many of the games best staff members, leaders and players are retired. Holding twl medals means nothing when the same group of players stacks year in year out, trolls the zone and makes a joke of it.

I will continue to be around now and again to point out what a retard you are. Get used to it.

[zidane]

I have never begged you to join a single squad you were on or to make a squad. You begged me to join Fierce 4-5 years ago and i joined and left within a week because of how boring the chat was. These days all you do is contradict yourself and make up stories

[Rule]

I have never begged you to join a single squad you were on or to make a squad. You begged me to join Fierce 4-5 years ago and i joined and left within a week because of how boring the chat was. These days all you do is contradict yourself and make up stories

LOL. I was a part of Fierce way before you. I can genuinely say Apok and Skepsis are friends. You briefly joined Fierce and showed us what a turd you were before moving on.

You sound like Beam "Rule begged to join Pandora" LOL. I would never join a squad like Pandora, Dice, Thunder etc - I don't like the people on them. You don't even dispute the fact that your a total troll, because the whole zone knows it. You think that having titles makes up for that your a useless pos?

How many titles did you have before last season? The answer is 0 - unless you count the ones you got as a thunder bencher. Having titles doesn't give anyone the right to treat others with the disrespect you do. Having titles does not make a player any better than another. Their are lots of great players who have few titles. Lots of great ppl who will never have a title, but have contributed to the game, by being solid, friendly, team players, staff contributors etc. This game is not simply about "titles".

Take your titles and shove them up Ease's ass.

[zidane]

I never said you asked to join Pandora...i'm not even sure why you're mentioning that. o wait it could be the fact that you realized i've never actually asked you to join a single squad or make a squad, keep making stuff up