TWLB Finals - WTF decision?

[Summa]

I don't know if Dice has decided to appeal or not, but I will make the case for them regardless of if they care or not.

It is quite simple:

6.01
If an unpredictable server crash, router failure, server lag, TWBot failure, or other event has a massive impact on a game in progress, the match will be cancelled and all current scores discarded. The game will then be replayed at a later time.

The decision to award the 2nd (but actually 3rd) game to Pandora is directly opposed to this rule. A team with an 18-11 lead has still not won the game. It is a referee's decision to deny the players the opportunity to determine the outcome of the game, which is directly opposed to all competition.

Now you might say "hey humid, isn't there also a rule in the TWL rules that reserves the right for a TWL op to make decisions in extenuating circumstances"; and I would say to you, why yes there is! And usually in these extenuating circumstances, we look at historical precedence for a guideline. If we are looking for historical precedence, we need look no further than an hour and a half earlier, when a similar bot failure occurred in a game that was 15-14. What was the decision? Replay the game. So what possibly changed over the course of an hour and a half in the TWLB finals to change a bot failure decision from a replay to "well, this team is leading....soooo they win".

The only thing I can come up with is that a judgment was made on expected outcomes. This team was leading by a decent margin, so they will probably win. But again, that makes it so that the players are no longer determining the outcome. And if you really want to go down that road, you would just not play half of TWL since the chance that random crap squad A beats TWL finalist squad B is so negligible that it is not an expected outcome. In the spirit of March Madness, underdogs can happen, surprises can happen, comebacks can happen; teams can find a way to win. That's why you play the game instead of just look at it on paper.

However if that doesn't satisfy your desires, just go back through these archives in the TWL forums. I am sure that you will find above a 95% appeal approval rate in regards to rule 6.01 and bot failure. Hell you already approved one today. You're already replaying one TWL final match, what's the big deal about making the right call and doing the other one.

here is a video for reference material:

TY 4 this.

PS: As a former long time TWL op and head of 2 TWLs, to me the moment this happened the question wouldn't have been whether pandora wins or not. It would have been if we start from 0-0 or if we play with one team needing 2 mins to win and other needing 9. Awarding the win would have never been an option on the table.

[zidane]

18:40-11 and we kept playing when timer was down and then proceeded to kill zizu. if you played lb you'd know that's 1000% game over, not to mention we won 2 rounds before that

[Mythril]

5:humid> i am posting that appeal to troll u
5:zidane> no ur not
5:humid> i didn't even watch the lb games
5:humid> was playing poe
5:humid> LOL
5:zidane> ur pathetic
5:Mythril> ty, gnna c/p that in my post


If dice wants to waste everyone's time and reschedule a time to replay the remainder of the match where we only need 2 minutes and they need 9 after giving us the flag room and putting them in spawn zone, we'll do that. Just keep in mind we also got screwed over round 1 after we actually won the game and it was declared void.

[kess]

how was pandora screwed over rnd 1? staff changed the rules during game. game should had ended in that instant.

[Mattey]

double post

[Mythril]

They realized bot was going to declare a winner at 31 minutes even though the game was set to first to 20. Whoever programmed the bots forgot to set the time to 41 minutes. Staff decided to make a decision around 14:53-11:00 (Dice was ahead and both squads were in flagroom) that whoever had the most time when the clock hit 0 won the game. You guys were ahead over 3 minutes and only needed to manage 38 more seconds of flagtime to win the game. We ended up winning despite staff's failure and the game was called void. That's how we got screwed over.

[Mattey]

I don't agree with the decision either.

Next year please just keep it to 15 minutes, best of 3.

I appreciate all of staff's efforts, but this entire game was a debacle.

[Vatican Assassin]

I don't know if Dice has decided to appeal or not, but I will make the case for them regardless of if they care or not.

Someone as well-versed in the rules as you should know only someone from dice can file the appeal.

[but...why...per...]

The issue with the first round was the timer (not enough time), it wasn't apparent until the match began and would only be an issue if both teams managed to get over 10 minutes flag time. As it happens both teams secured around 15min and the solution was to just replay the round as it was still anybody's game at that point. Yes Pandora did take the advantage at the end but there would have been sufficient time for Dice to retake base had the timer been set properly.

The replayed first round was then won by Pandora.

In the next round the timer froze at 18:40 - 11:16, Pandora - Dice, with Pandora having just cleared the flagroom. Whilst Dice has every right to appeal on that round due bots crashing I doubt the full round will be replayed.

If Dice do decide to appeal and it is granted, I suspect that round would be played after the TWLD finals and would be a 2min vs 9min flag race, with a third round being played if Dice manage to get their 9 minutes flag time before Pandora get their 2 minutes.

Ultimately the decision lies with Reckful and whether or not Dice appeal.

-bwp (host of the match)

[maketso]

What game were you playing zidane? Zizu was in spec and I was terring + I WARPED to spawn when I was told bots dead

[zidane]

lol please. you got tek'd right above the coffin, 150 people saw it. move on

[kess]

You guys were ahead over 3 minutes and only needed to manage 38 more seconds of flagtime to win the game. We ended up winning despite staff's failure and the game was called void. That's how we got screwed over.

the thing is, u dont simply change the rules mid game, its that simple. ill speak for myself, but i didnt even notice the ad from staff, i was more focused on playing. not one of the 8 that were playing knew what the fuck happened when timer hit 0. we arent supposed to be looking for staff ads during game warning about rule changes. i dont think its hard to understand

[maketso]

lol zid you really this retarded? gotta lie to keep your title you didnt deserve

[LF]

My only gripes with this garbage:

Staff knew 10+ minutes before the end of the game about the clock issue in the first round and were just hoping for a best case scenario instead of just cancelling the game right on the spot, fixing the issue and restarting. I wasn't privvy to the TWL-Ops discussions that were happening at the time but from what I do know it seems another decision was made unilaterally and then overruled by MM God, which explains the constant rule changes during the game. I hate to pull the "I told you so" card but this is exactly what you get when you put people in charge of things that they know nothing about. You get people that don't know the rules of the league by heart and react to the moment as it happens instead of by instinct learned from previous experience (aka proper training).

My other issue is the decision on round 2 (or 3?) to give Pandora the win because "they were way ahead and probably going to win anyways". While that statement is pretty much a guaranteed reality that is not a good precedent to set for future decisions, especially because the same scenario presented itself in TWLD only an hour or two later with Fierce "way ahead" before issues started presenting and instead of giving them the win based on the same precedent the game was voided entirely. Now I don't think Fierce should be given a free round 1 victory in TWLD, because the circumstances of the game were terrible, but I don't think Pandora should in LB either.

Last but not least.... After TWLD was "cancelled" my squad was told that we will make up the game next week at a time agreed upon by both squads. In theory this is a fair solution but apparently at least 3 of our warbird starters cannot show next Sunday for whatever reason and we were told by reckful more or less "That sucks, but too bad". After everything that happened yesterday Fierce is really getting fucked. First our scheduled TWLD game is pushed back by more than 2.5 hours (People have real lives) due to issues in other leagues. Then hosted manually (as agreed upon by both squads) only to be cancelled mid-game. We deserve a chance to show our best possible line to play against Pandoras best possible line, as per the SPIRIT OF THE LEAGUE. Who cares if it happens on a Sunday afternoon or a wednesday morning or anytime in between? After all the garbage that happened yesterday a little flexibility in the scheduling should be owed. Let Ease/Myth and Apok/Skep figure out a day and time that works for both teams and simply provide us a forum to duke it out fair and square.

[Turban]

i told staff within 3 minutes that bot was going to do that, LF. they had plenty of time to make a decision. i was also told that the TWLD final would be replayed in 2 weeks so fierce could show their full lineup.