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    Look its nas, its the whiner!!!
    ok there we go:

    I can write a long story on this but I will keep it short.
    -Solstice- just joined TWL. Fine, congratiolations have a nice TWL.

    But: -Solstice- has been around since mai. When I remember solstice over the months they were known to have quite a large roster. Nothing wrong with that ofcourse. Sirius has been captain of solstice since the beginning, so looking at that fact there were no captainswaps or dissolvement of the squad.

    But: as solstice was about to join TWL, the open spot was already announced by the thread of Kim before it was official and even before that period -Solstice- had the best papers of getting into twl, they have recruited 20 ! people during the period of lets say 8th june to 28th june. Maybe in a shorter period. 75% of the squad now says they have joined on the 6h of June, thats something tricky the twl ops have thought of to avoid the rosterlock. Even though they joined on a later date, for instance, the 25th of june, they are recorded as the 6th of June.

    But: Dozens of people left Solstice during round 5 , 6 and later. Even Splatz and Stylez left Solstice during week 6. Now that we are in week 8 only, between week 7 and 8 solstice was invited to twl, all different people joined. Probably better, aliased people or people I just dont know. Also Splatz and Stylez rejoined. Also the timegap which was supported by the twl ops made it possible that some people played for squads in twl and now can play for solstice. (epinephrine told me it were two people)

    But: some people may say: thats how it goes with new squads. Well I doubt that thats the case here. Solstice has been around since mai, and suddenly in the end of june there is a massive explosion of people coming to solstice when it is clear that they will be in twld. If you compare the behaviour of the squad solstice with Focus for example, you will see that most people in Focus were members since the beginning.

    My point: the possibility for squads to ignore the rosterlock who were in twd already before the rosterlock, lets say for some months, can abuse the system. They see, read, hear they will get in, they get for about a week to get lots of players to replace their people who helped them building up the squad and then show up with new people at twl.

    Additional comment: i have no problems with solstice whatsoever, let that be clear. But the way the rosterlock can get abused is an ingredient for a bad competition. And to say: Well solstice wont get into playoffs so who cares is not a reason to give some squads privileges(?).

    I think this should be avoided next year because its quite obvious that it wont be dealt with this twl. I doubt if the twl ops care, because when I mentioned this to epi he said he didnt want to argue and he didnt care. Well way to go.

    Peace out.
    Last edited by Nasir; 07-12-2003, 04:54 PM.
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    i play all of the tony hawk games on my ps2 (at the same time!!!!!... [b]NOT!! LOZL) at least 30 hours a week, my supreme knowledge about these games give me the power to destroy all life at any second. the intimate time i spend learning and loving with these games give me the skills and drive to be the best person i can be. your knowledge of mediocre squad lineup changes almost surpases my knowledge of tony hawk games.

    get a life.. DOKR!!!
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    • #3
      seriously if you dont care for twl, dont read twl forums then. I play tw basically to have fun and play twl. I am not going to be quiet when I think something is wrong with stuff in twl.
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      • #4
        kinda revelent but maybe not really


        we recently had a couple people leave due to internal discussions that we were hoping to discuss their return over this weekend with us lol

        when Epi informed Tyson last nite of our joining, his quote was "from this moment on, anyone you recruit will be ineligible for TWL" which is of course good....

        but very bad timing lol

        you know how things are in a squad... and sometimes heated discussions happen....

        i was hoping one of them was going to rejoin...but even though they are long term members of WA i dont think they can now... or at least not and be part of TWL that they worked hard to try to be eligible for

        either way...we are happy to be here...and stand by epi's statement, and have locked our own roster as well
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        • #5
          shut up nas, you're the only one upset.
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          • #6
            screw you. Shut up this shut up that. from now on I dont give a damn anymore who what says. If you got a problem with me I will give you a war.
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            • #7
              Nickname Co. formaly declares war on Nasir land.

              TAKE THAT NASIR!
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              • #8
                the Mayo Incorportated multi-national conglomerate joins Nickname Co. in it's war.

                You are not Nas.
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                • #9
                  i dont really give 2 shits, but i also think Na$ is rite, and has a ritefull arguement here

                  another reason why TWL roster lock is stupid
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                  • #10
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nickname
                      Nickname Co. formaly declares war on Nasir land.

                      TAKE THAT NASIR!
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                      • #12
                        i think nasir has valid complaints. although i dont think people should get the idea that solstice is a bunch of ex-twl players and squadhoppers that joined right when it became obvious that we would get into twl.

                        the 20+ players that you are speaking of nas are the result of Solstice adding a basing team. id say maybe 1/4th at most of those additions play wb at all.

                        id say possible starters for our twl match tomorrow will be Myself (Myself=prev. named Alwaysdrunk), Sirius, Splatz, Stylez, Thieves, Killermech. of those, i believe only killermech has played twl at all recently. in addition, at the time this group of players joined solstice (im talking about the 2nd and final time) solstice was not even in the top 5 twdd rankings. this group got together and brought it to the top, it wasnt something that came together after the fact. the bottom line is that the majority of our players, and ALL of our players that are likely to start in twl, are either vets from other zones completely new to trenchwars (myself, stylez), have been on solstice since the beginning (sirius), or players who have spent considerable time on solstice and were in the squad for a decent stretch with the exception of the very short term melt-down that you discussed (splatz, thieves). it wasnt a "were in first in twdd, quick now jump on the bandwagon" type deal.

                        in any event, i still agree somewhat with your points, i just think that the punishment of starting 0-7 pretty much takes care of any motivation to abuse this rule.

                        what i'd consider most unfair if i was egyptian, is the fact that 7 other squads who are competing with egyptian for playoff spots played inferno, while egyptian now plays solstice instead...no offense to any ex-inferno and im not claiming any greatness for solstice, but i think we will give them a tougher time and have a better chance of an upset than inferno would have had.... which creates an inequity in the playoff standings. but thats a whole other thread i suppose. IF we did upset egyptians and knock them into a precarious playoff situation it would seem quite unfair to me. in any case, obviously nothing can be done about it now for this season.

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                        • #13
                          riight

                          You're going through this as if we were in twl before week 7. The roster lock were for those squads currently in TWL. We were not, we went about doing whatever was necessary to gain #1 in TWDD. 20 people joined solstice? wow. you probably think we hired a whole new squad to play for us but you are dead wrong my friend. During the time me and stylez rejoined solstice, (stylez went to try another squad, and i went to try and capt my own squad) there was what we call a "pre summer cleaning" lol. squadmembers talked it over and we decided that we should try basing, so AD got control of hiring basing people so that we can have enough people to base when ever we felt like basing. Then we axed a whole bunch of people for inactivity. and I can only think of 2 members currently who have joined for twl reasons. But besides from that, we wouldn't like the rep of being sneaky and bending the rules anyhow. Maybe your investigation could have gone a little deeper but we know the truth now right nas?

                          oh and another thing, is this because egyptian suddenly decided to regroup and regret leavint twl in the first place? hmmm, just my opinon, because i think it is, or else this post wouldn't be about solstice, it would be about faded, now wouldn't it lol.
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                          • #14
                            its about how the rosterlock works with newer squads. Because if you have read it well you would see that I have nothing against solstice, but your squad is an example for me to believe that there is something wrong with the system. I mean you have the right to recruit players and stuff, but after round 5 other squads cant. With all the delay we are like a month later than round 5 and a lot can happen during that period. The rosterlock was in round 5 because it would be the middle of the competition, now we can be wondering if thats a number or a timedate. I just say I prefer eligabilitytime + the possibily for a player to play only for one team in twl.
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                            • #15
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