Double squadders caught -READ-

[brookus]

Let's turn this thread back to what it is really about : Anti-Scrub winning a TWLJ match. Hooray!

llater,
Tony

[Kings]

Double squadding is sure a bad thing and rules must be applied but why would a captain of his own team doublesquad. If he's not happy with his team, he just have to quit it or dissolve it.. w/e

[Eric is God]

Im sry if this has already been mentioned, im at work and i dont have time to read the entire thread. I also just want to say that I dont disagree with the rules since I cant think of any better setup at the moment and that I read through the rule on double squading from the TWL website quickly.

Epi, do u know how much havok some1 like me could cause be joining at least 3-4 mid level squads throughout the season? Im pretty sure some1 could pull it off and force numerous games to be forfeited. Maybe im ignorant ... I dont know how good your method is for routing this out. Do u go and check the ip's of every player from every squad or is it just when u get tipped off? I know im my house alone we now have 3 seperate internet connections, 3 seperate networks and compeltely different ip's so what would u require to catch that? Im just curious cause id like to try it next season if i have the time

[Eeks]

I think these punishments are all good. They make sure that caps stop allowing doublesquading in their squads.

[Verthanthi]

Originally posted by Cpt.Guano!
Imagine how no surrender would have felt if we told them that we "ignored" a rule.

They'd feel like wr. Heh, you know I'm just ribbing you guano. Anyway, totally the right choice made here.


And Sirius, it sucks that your squad had a win stolen. No one blames you and no one blames your squad, at least not from what I've read. Fact of the matter is, this wasn't going to be a playoff season for you guys, regardless of your success, you came in too late. You're basically here to get some TWL expereince and enjoyment. Yeah, your honor is a little dinged, but you're still in leagues. People won't remember you as "that squad that cheated". But if you keep trying to stir up shit even though it's pretty clear you're in the wrong, you'll have a harder time arguing that the crips. Do the smart thing, take the loss. If you think you could have one without Independance in, then know that and next TWL show us.

[Nickname]

Originally posted by Randedl
personally i screen all my recruits before they enter melee, and i hope they are being honest, but then again, i know the people i recruit pretty well. . . maybe you should rethink your recruitment methods.

Stop recruiting aliased players. If the name hasn't been around for over a year, do NOT recruit him, yeah he may suck, but at leats it's him sucking, not someone else.

[RiP]

Originally posted by Nickname
Stop recruiting aliased players. If the name hasn't been around for over a year, do NOT recruit him, yeah he may suck, but at leats it's him sucking, not someone else.

Yea that would work tho i dont think anyone on solstice have even played more than a year.

[Epinephrine]

As Cpt. as so nicely pointed out the decision was a JOINT decision made by the both of us. The appeal was allowed so that Cpt. could also get your side of the story.

Don't assume that the decision was already made just because your appeal was rejected. Even in real life in a court of law, not every appeal is granted. If there is sufficient reason NOT to grant the appeal, then the decision will stick.

As mentioned it does not matter if Independence went 20-0 or 0-10. The fact of the matter is that he double squaded, which is cheating. Why is it bad that he's also on a TWD squad? TWL replacement squads (such as -Solstice-) are determined by their ranking in TWD. If a player on TWL is giving a TWD squad an unfair advantage to play better, then that hurts TWL and everyone playing in the league.

Now let's look at a hypothetical situation. What if he went 9-10? 7-10? 5-10 but killed out 3 NS players? According to your logic he would of still had a net hurt to -Solstice- and thus it would of been okay that he played. The fact is that he double squaded and in your appeal you did not demonstrate any special circumstances which might of tilted the final decision in your favour. And no I'm not going to list special circumstances because the nature of an appeal is that it's a judgement call, and one was thus made.

I have absolutely nothing against -Solstice-. Hell this will probably hurt me personally as I bought a few of your guys in TWLM-D and I made some money off last game. Your squad is still in TWL though, and I hope round 10 goes smoothly for you.

-Epi

[splatz]

NS won a game now...that's embarassing. lol. But the question still lies in the fact that how would the captain check if a person is double squadding or not. As Randedl said the captain has to make sure they the person coming in is well known or what not but even still, you can never be totally sure. And I would also like to know how the league ops go about checking for double squadding, do they do it only when they are tipped off. Oh and by the way many people I know including myself have numourous connections or computers and i'm sure there is ALWAYS a way around it. Plus, I want to see some proof that he was actually double squadding, it's just my nature that i do need to see the proof as I don't believe a god damn word spewed unless there are numbers behind it.

But besides from that, what happens, happens. It's just the way the leagues are run have to be continued to be ironed out even more.

-splattity splated splatz.

[Randedl]

splatz, you have to rely on something called trust and hope they aren't, usually depending on the fact that you've known that player for long enough to make a character judgement on their behalf.

captains can only do so much to defend their squad, ie. recruiting people they've heard of (like nick said).

and sirius, everybody is cool til they disagree with you huh

the fact of the matter is that you are entitled to an appeal any time you want. this doesn't mean "oh, if i put 20 minutes into typing an appeal i'll get my way"

grow up and stop causing your squad more embarrasment.

being able to type out long winded arguments and seemingly discredit whatever anybody else says doesn't mean you are right, should there be a little addendum to the double squadding rule (3.0.1.a: if a player double squads but doesn't do too well then his squad has the right to get past the rules). . .

have a nice day, and welcome to the world of leading a squad.

ps. don't you find it a little insulting that one of your players would double squad on a twd squad? not even a twl one. . . i mean, that's like your wife cheating on you with a 13 year old lol

oh, and if you don't want other people's opinions (or just the ones that disagree with what you want them to say) don't post on the forums saying you want the "crowd to decide for itself"

[splatz]

I came on SS yesterday and saw 601 people in trench. Do you mean that there are enough people to know and trust to go around for a squad? haha. You go and meet everybody or whom "people have heard of" and that still doesn't work.

I'm just saying if the captains don't even have a way of checking then how can you blame them. You see all these new squads pop up out of no where, and i will bet you large amount of money that half of them are people are are aliased. I myself know large amount of double squadders, even triple and quadriple who are in many different TWD squads. And yea I also know them well enough. But I didn't find out they were double squadding until someone else had to tell me as a joke or accidently spilled it to me.

So there really is no way of knowing someone is souble squadding on your own squad. Take it for leave it but there are only a limited amount of good duelers on trench. And eveyone is trying to find the new talent and if you do find that new talent how can you be sure they aren't on another squad, besides "trusting" them on a hoinor system.

And granted every double squadder isn't loyal to that squad so they don't care about the conswequences.

[Nasir]

I just like to add some things that already have been said:
if you would have played 4 vs 5 when you didnt play Independence it shows clearly that it made a difference.

And even if it wouldnt have made a difference: Its still doublesquadding, and claiming that being on a twd squad while playing in twl on a different squad isnt that bad, is quite unlogic since twd squads are the squads that have the ability to replace dissolving squads in twl, so they do affect twl.

Also writing ten pages on how the rules should be ignored is quite stupid. Appealing is fine, but claiming that the rule of doublesquadding shouldnt have been enforced is quite sad.

Good job on catching doublesquadders.

One more thing though for TWL ops: I think ip sniffing should be done in time, so that squadcaptains can be notified before they play a doublesquadder. I mean if they dont know they might have the right to be able to do something about it. Because some people say, which is right, that people should only recruit people they know. Thats true, but what if you do but you dont know that he is aliased under a newbie name in some twd squad ? Imagine that and think about that. If one of my members decides to doublesquad on a twd squad under a newbie name and he doesnt tell me about it, it would be quite unfair if the TWL ops wouldnt tell me BEFORE a twl match actually starts so I got the possibilty to axe someone. And if I recruit Banzi I dont expect him to be under a noob name either in some twd squad.

Anyways keep up the good work all and don't forget to get rid of the rostermax next season

Peace

[Escalate]

i agree with splatz, no truly new squad (new as in not made up of a bunch of vets that squadhopped to form a new squad) can be established without trusting new, lesser known players. therefore its not sirius's fault, nor anyone on soltice's fault that we had someone on our squad who was deceiving us.

however, i agree with epi on the decision...unfortunately in TWL, like many forms of competition, a squad depends on its members to obey rules, and one moron can screw it up for the entire team if he has no integrity. fortunately for us, TWL is meaningless to us this season anyway, so we can just take it as a lesson learned. all we are here for is to establish that we dont suck, so that we may have some added credibitility to recruit for next season. i dont think anyone here believes that independence changed the outcome of that game....so it can still be construed from the outcome of the game that we suck less than NS...so thats one more small step up the ladder for us.

-ad

[Stabwound]

Not going to get into the doublesquadding shit, but even a person that goes 3-10 can make a pretty huge difference than if they never played at all. Played with 1 less person can give you a huge disadvantage.

[Sirius]

And Sirius, it sucks that your squad had a win stolen. No one blames you and no one blames your squad, at least not from what I've read.

That's what you may think. There's a lot of people out there who don't share their ideas. Not to mention the fact that shit like this goes out, gets distorted in the rumor mill, and then all sorts of ugly crap is flying around about Solstice and it's double squadding nature.

Yea that would work tho i dont think anyone on solstice have even played more than a year.

Wtf? I've probably been playing subspace longer than you have, and I know some of my squadmates have been around for a while too, whether at TW or DSB.

Even in real life in a court of law, not every appeal is granted. If there is sufficient reason NOT to grant the appeal, then the decision will stick.

Duh. The point is, I don't even think you have any special type of real circumstance that would have made you pardon it. Seriously, if everything I put in my appeal didn't do it, I can't think of anything that will.

and sirius, everybody is cool til they disagree with you huh

Nice try to make it sound like that, but the truth is I didn't like your negative flare at me and my appeal or my style of arguing. Your post was more of a bash retort than it was an arguing disagreement point. (Especially as weak of an argument post as it was). I have no problem with people disagreeing with me.

the fact of the matter is that you are entitled to an appeal any time you want. this doesn't mean "oh, if i put 20 minutes into typing an appeal i'll get my way"

I understand you're a little slow on comprehension and whenever you figure something out you have the urge to share your revelation with the rest, but rest assured that your comment is fully acknowledged by me and quite possibly everyone else in this thread. What was supposed to pardon the case is the information I carefully provided in the appeal. Perhaps if your attention span and comprehensive skills were a bit more impressive, you'd be able to read the appeal enough to understand it's not a long mess of garbled nonsense, as you imply it is.

being able to type out long winded arguments and seemingly discredit whatever anybody else says doesn't mean you are right

Seems you're all out of gas now, what with you reiterating the same old points over and over; just because my argument goes beyond your attention span or comprehension, doesn't mean it loses validity. The argument retains it's credibility from an objective point of view, not your subjective half ass evaluation. That's like showing some dude who barely knows english the constitution of the United States and him going 'i dun wan ta raed dis garbaeg'

have a nice day, and welcome to the world of leading a squad.

Here we go, being slow with the comments again. A little late, but thanks; I've been leading squads since '98.

ps. don't you find it a little insulting that one of your players would double squad on a twd squad? not even a twl one. . . i mean, that's like your wife cheating on you with a 13 year old lol

He wasn't. He forgot to get off the rosters of his other squads. Maybe if your attention span/comprehensive ability was better, you would have read that by now earlier in the post.

oh, and if you don't want other people's opinions (or just the ones that disagree with what you want them to say) don't post on the forums saying you want the "crowd to decide for itself"

Once more you underline your inability to comprehend properly. Last I checked I said 'Keep them coming Randedl...'

so that we may have some added credibitility to recruit for next season.

Yeah, and some nice credibility of double squadding too.