Iraqis fucking love us

[TajaUk]

Just to make sure you know i think there are 4 main reason for invading Iraq

1.humanitarin reasons- Saddam as a ruler was cruel and people lived in terror getting rid of him helped all Iraqis and Iraqis know this!

2.economically- with OPEC increasing prices just for greed they have a tighter grip on the world liberating Iraq enables the world to appreciate oil and fair market value.

3. World Threat- although Iraq probably didnt pose any threat today the track history of Saddam, the power and availablility for Saddam to obtain nuclear weapons he could quite easily pose a threat tomorrow.

4. If US successfully changes Iraq into a democratic state this provides hope to all other countries whom are full of terrorists and are frustrated which democracy will solve.
Maybe each point byitself isnt ground enough but all four together it overwhelming evidence.

Erm where do you begin....

1. Lots of leader are cunts to there people, thats no excuse to invade them. If you used this as a reason then why not go for say North Korea, China, Zimbabwa (spell) etc..the list goes on and on...USA is not the world police.

2. Who are we to tell iraq how much they sell their oil for? to jusifty anything by saying they dont sell oil at a fair price boggles the mind. You dont like what they did with there oil, dont buy it. You cannot tell individual countries how the use there natural resources.

3. Iraq as a potential world threat, rofl. Again there are numerous countries that anyone with half a brain cell would say is alot more suspect. They have yet to find anything remotly looking like weapons of mass destruction. That was there excuse to go in! they said THEY HAVE THEM, they lied. To say it MIGHT be a threat is no basis to invade a country. Must be loads of countries we know have them and are alot more volitile, India/Pakistan testing them on each other, North Korea, Russian/Chechneya, etc etc.

4. I find your point 4 laughable, if you democratise iraq it will be an example to other terrorist ridden countries?

Iraq was not full of terrorists, they have not found any links to them yet. It was a dictatorship. Bin Laden and Saddam had no links whatever.

Dont you understand that this war has just inflamed the whole middle east into Western hating even more? More and more terrorist's will now spawn to what they percieve as western meddling into there affairs. Simialr to America funding Isreal and pummeling Palasteins and that just creating more and more intense hatred to America.

Most of Europe simply hates America, becasue of how this invasion was mishandled, so god knows what the muslims think now.

I am sorry The Enforcer but you simply do not understand the topic enough to make a sound arguement.

[THE ENFORCER]

Erm where do you begin....

1. Lots of leader are cunts to there people, thats no excuse to invade them. If you used this as a reason then why not go for say North Korea, China, Zimbabwa (spell) etc..the list goes on and on...USA is not the world police.

Thats reason 3 no point in repeating what ive already said.

2. Who are we to tell iraq how much they sell their oil for? to jusifty anything by saying they dont sell oil at a fair price boggles the mind. You dont like what they did with there oil, dont buy it. You cannot tell individual countries how the use there natural resources.

I said its fair market price, thats what it is fair, OPEC is an illegal cartel they dont have fair prices. Iraq wouldnt be part of that cartel thereby economically have fair market prices which benefits the world. Iraq can charge what they want but no-one would buy it so they have to charge a cheaper price especially since they need the money.

3. Iraq as a potential world threat, rofl. Again there are numerous countries that anyone with half a brain cell would say is alot more suspect. They have yet to find anything remotly looking like weapons of mass destruction. That was there excuse to go in! they said THEY HAVE THEM, they lied. To say it MIGHT be a threat is no basis to invade a country. Must be loads of countries we know have them and are alot more volitile, India/Pakistan testing them on each other, North Korea, Russian/Chechneya, etc etc.

Read my post more csrefully i never said anything like that, clue:threat tomorrow.

4. I find your point 4 laughable, if you democratise iraq it will be an example to other terrorist ridden countries?

Iraq was not full of terrorists, they have not found any links to them yet. It was a dictatorship. Bin Laden and Saddam had no links whatever.

once agian you missed the point, people who are frustrated with thier govt or living standards and have no power to change policies resort to terrorism. If US can prove to these countries that they can successfully change Iraq to a successful democratic state citizens of these countries will want democracy and US help thereby wont resort to terrorism and attacks agianst US will drop but people like you who are agianst the war are only making matters worse and thereby supporting terrorism. Open your mind ffs before another 9/11 happens or will it take a death of a loved one for you to see the truth?.

Dont you understand that this war has just inflamed the whole middle east into Western hating even more? More and more terrorist's will now spawn to what they percieve as western meddling into there affairs. Simialr to America funding Isreal and pummeling Palasteins and that just creating more and more intense hatred to America.

Maybe alittle bit but hardly by a large amount i think you were living in a fairytale land before invasion of Iraq.

Most of Europe simply hates America, becasue of how this invasion was mishandled, so god knows what the muslims think now.

I am sorry The Enforcer but you simply do not understand the topic enough to make a sound arguement.

I dont think you do, if you think before Iraq that citizens in ME and Europe loved USA your sadly mistaken (as shown by 9/11- it was a wakeup call for people like you)! Considering how much hate there was for US before Iraq it couldnt really increase that much more the only reason you think there has been this sudden shift in hatred towards US is because they recieve more media attention! Hatred towards America was High before Iraq and High after Iraq. There may have been some increase in hatred towards America but alot of Iraqis also support America for the invasion as shown by the polls taken they only fear that USA will stay and control Iraq once power is given back to iraqis i think you will find resistence wil drop dramatically.

[TajaUk]

but people like you who are agianst the war are only making matters worse and thereby supporting terrorism. Open your mind ffs before another 9/11 happens or will it take a death of a loved one for you to see the truth?..

Rofl, so people who dont agree with the invasion of Iraq support terrorism? Man this is so funny. That's the type of statement I expect from a dictator.

So what your saying is the majority of the world who were and still are against invading Iraq on some jumped up excuses, support terrorism? I think you just hung yourself, no need to carry on.

I was well aware of terrorism before 9/11 unlike most americans who think it was just invented a few years ago, i have seen lots of people die in Ireland when i lived there and directly effected by it, so no need to preach. I bet you Iraq wouldnt have been invaded if 9/11 didnt happen, which just shows you how obsurd the whole thing is.

USA is not the global police force, if they continue with poking there nose into every countries business and funding Isreal then expect alot more 9/11 type attacks.

[THE ENFORCER]

Rofl, so people who dont agree with the invasion of Iraq support terrorism? Man this is so funny. That's the type of statement I expect from a dictator.

So what your saying is the majority of the world who were and still are against invading Iraq on some jumped up excuses, support terrorism? I think you just hung yourself, no need to carry on.

They are a hinderence in stopping terrorism if people were realistic in stopping terrorism they would support US intervention! Anyone who undermines the war effort and USA helps terrorist activity, if a terrorist attacks happens in US dont come crying to me because its people like me who warned you and sees the reality of events. I think it will take a death of a loved one for people like you to realise the severity of events and thats a shame.

I was well aware of terrorism before 9/11 unlike most americans who think it was just invented a few years ago, i have seen lots of people die in Ireland when i lived there and directly effected by it, so no need to preach. I bet you Iraq wouldnt have been invaded if 9/11 didnt happen, which just shows you how obsurd the whole thing is.

Ireland and US are completely different the reasons terrorist attack US is completely different to the IRA no point in comparing. No its not obsurd it would of been impossible for Bush to gain support for invasion agianst Iraq only after 9/11 did this become a possiblity it still doesnt diminish the points at hand!

USA is not the global police force, if they continue with poking there nose into every countries business and funding Isreal then expect alot more 9/11 type attacks.

USA have to poke thier noses into other countries its called self-defence what you think americans were on board the plane in 9/11, we dont live in a farytale world so dont act like we are!

[DoTheFandango]

USA have to poke thier noses into other countries its called self-defence what you think americans were on board the plane in 9/11, we dont live in a farytale world so dont act like we are!

I understand Afghanistan... But why Iraq?! Can you answer that? They had NO W.O.M.D. None. Not a single solitary one. And because that is the MAIN REASON we went into that country (besides finishing the Family War vs. Saddam), I feel that 500+ American people have died for NO REASON but a personal vendetta.

Also, those people that attacked us were legal Americans. (They had temp. Green Cards and Student Visas.)
As were the 100's of others on the planes that crashed.

I'm pretty sure that you will argue this with somemore right-wing slander, but the facts don't lie. You are a douche.

Again, another invalid arguement from who else but... THE ENFORCER!!!

[THE ENFORCER]

I understand Afghanistan... But why Iraq?! Can you answer that? They had NO W.O.M.D. None. Not a single solitary one. And because that is the MAIN REASON we went into that country (besides finishing the Family War vs. Saddam), I feel that 500+ American people have died for NO REASON but a personal vendetta.

Also, those people that attacked us were legal Americans. (They had temp. Green Cards and Student Visas.)
Key word temp they werent Americans your just twisting the facts.

As were the 100's of others on the planes that crashed.
So your saying all those innocent civilains on the plane were terrorist too, dam you have absolute no idea think about your statments before posting such ridculous comments!


I'm pretty sure that you will argue this with somemore right-wing slander, but the facts don't lie. You are a douche.

Again, another invalid arguement from who else but... THE ENFORCER!!!

Did you even read post #58? i answered these questions already how bout putting in some effort and stop being so lazy!

[THE ENFORCER]

Ive had enough obvious that you people are stuck in your ways and im not going to change it, when another major terrorist attack happens in US you will realise that Bush, me and other right-wingers were correct and you idealistic left wingers were not realistic and pretty much fools i hope you people can live with yourselves when another 1000 or so US civilains die and i hope you see the effect your views have taken in the end it will all come clear one way or another. If you people accept my views no civilians will need to die if you dont many civilians will die its your choice.

This is my last post on the topic unless someone provides any plausable and intelligent arguments but considering i provided all logical arguments and no-one has provided a logical rebuttal to them i dont think that will happen. I wish the santity of life was as important for you as it is for me but obvously its not so i say goodbye.

[Cops]

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[Mattey]

USA have to poke thier noses into other countries its called self-defence what you think americans were on board the plane in 9/11, we dont live in a farytale world so dont act like we are!

Do you think any Iraqi's were onboard? (None of them were Iraqi.)

Edit: Added parentheses because rhetorical questions will just confuse THE ENFORCER.


As for the argument that dictatorships breed terrorism, why did Oklahoma City happen? Why does the IRA exist? Terrorism exists no matter what government structure one is under, it will always be around. Going to war on an ambiguous noun just catalyzed it.

[DoTheFandango]

Also, those people that attacked us were legal Americans. (They had temp. Green Cards and Student Visas.)
Key word temp they werent Americans your just twisting the facts.

As were the 100's of others on the planes that crashed.
So your saying all those innocent civilains on the plane were terrorist too, dam you have absolute no idea think about your statments before posting such ridculous comments!

No no no!

You are twisting MY WORDS! You said, AND I QUOTE,

Originally Posted by THE ENFORCER USA have to poke thier noses into other countries its called self-defence what you think americans were on board the plane in 9/11, we dont live in a farytale world so dont act like we are!

They were Americans. If you have a temperary green card for a student visa you are an AMERICAN while you are in this country. You have bi-citizenship. This happens often with college students coming from France, Spain, and the UK.

And I never said they were terrorists! I said that the innocent plane travelers were Americans, just like the terrorists were. Stop making an ass out of yourself and leave already.

BTW - America has the largest amount of terrorists in the world. By our definition of "terrorist" is one that causes harm by terrorism. Terrorism is the unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons. Isn't that EXACTLY what Bush did?

Ive had enough obvious that you people are stuck in your ways and im not going to change it, when another major terrorist attack happens in US you will realise that Bush, me and other right-wingers were correct and you idealistic left wingers were not realistic and pretty much fools i hope you people can live with yourselves when another 1000 or so US civilains die and i hope you see the effect your views have taken in the end it will all come clear one way or another. If you people accept my views no civilians will need to die if you dont many civilians will die its your choice.

This is my last post on the topic unless someone provides any plausable and intelligent arguments but considering i provided all logical arguments and no-one has provided a logical rebuttal to them i dont think that will happen. I wish the santity of life was as important for you as it is for me but obvously its not so i say goodbye.

It is really hard to argue a false statement. You can't even use correct grammar let alone argue.

There is no terrorist threat inside the US. If there was another attack, it would be the right-wingers fault because they have not put all that god damn money that has gone into counter-terrorism to good use! My own state (CT) has cut education budgets because we have not had enough money for counter-terrorist and special force troops. I really hope my education is being cut because we are preventing something that will happen. Because if nothing ever does happen... boy howdy I'm going to be kinda mad.

[TajaUk]

Ohh dear, The Enforcer is one of "those" that labels people left wing and liberal if you dont agree with everything he says.

"They are a hinderence in stopping terrorism if people were realistic in stopping terrorism they would support US intervention! "

All i can say is, my god i hope your not a typical American, thats the most obsurd statement i have heard in a long time. Americans actions over the last 3 years has done nothing but increase global terrorism and making people shit scared of everyday life.

You can just keep counting the casualties of this invasion and tell me its all been worth it. Remember the War did officially end over a year ago :P

[Sarien]

He's not an American at all. Enforcer is an Australian University Student. Although, since he can tell you with absolute certainty (at least he believes so) what's like to be anywhere in the world, maybe he isn't.. Maybe he's God. Omnipresent and all. Although.. if the thought of him being God is scary? You should remember.. he's an Australian.... Telcat is in Australia... they might know each other.. hell.. they might be friends... or.. worst of all... Together.. they might make babies. Super Annoying Babies.

[Bob (SRB)]

WOW. I had so much to say after reading through this thread, so many places to prove the enforcer wrong, basically every post i could have corrected him. Then I thought "whats the point?" Every single other person in this thread has already corrected him, he's just too stupid to realize that he is wrong. Every argument he has made has been proven wrong, but he just goes on spouting his idiotic crap. THE ENFORCER, when every single other country and basically every citizen inhabiting these countries, AND a good amount of Americans also disagree with this whole issue, maybe stop to think that you might be wrong. The enforcer, if EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THESE WHOLE BOARDS, and ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO ISN"T OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP FEELS THE SAME WAY AS THEM, just stop and look at what you are saying man. I don't know what Bush did to you, I don't know if you have mental problems, I don't know if you were tortured into believing what you've been preaching, I just don't know.

Ive had enough obvious that you people are stuck in your ways and im not going to change it, when another major terrorist attack happens in US you will realise that Bush, me and other right-wingers were correct and you idealistic left wingers were not realistic and pretty much fools i hope you people can live with yourselves when another 1000 or so US civilains die and i hope you see the effect your views have taken in the end it will all come clear one way or another. If you people accept my views no civilians will need to die if you dont many civilians will die its your choice.

This is the single most idiotic post i have ever seen on these whole forums. The enforcer, you are the one that is too stuck in your own ways to realize that you are wrong (look at the evidence bro, about 50 people here think you are wrong, and you are the sole person who thinks you are right) Now why would everyone go and change their whole view on things and just listen to a single person. Especially when you are so obviously wrong. Maybe you should look at what everyone is saying and start to go by what we all know as common knowledge. I'm not going to go around proving all your posts wrong, because you will just make another idiotic rebuttle that lacks reason and sense. But one thing i just HAD to say... oh god where do I start.

You, and Bush, and all the right winger were NOT correct in what you did to Iraq. if (this will probably happen) another 1000 or so, oh no maybe 1 million, who knows maybe the whole world will get blown up (gotta love mutually assured destruction) it will not be us left-wingers' fault. Yes of course it will be the terrorists fault, but think about why they did it. Why don't the terrorists come over here and bomb Canada? We have far more people aligned on the left side of the political spectrum here. Because, if it is anyones fault it is completely Bush's and the America he has created (mind you, America was pretty bad off before when it comes to foreign friendship, Bush just made it on hell of a lot worse). You see unlike you, most people (including terrorists) see Bush's invasion of Iraq, slaughtering of their citizens, bombing of their Cities, basically crippling all of Iraq as a bad thing. All of what Bush has done has given terrorists much more incentive to bomb the crap out of America, so your views are the ones that will eventually get America bombed again (ooh hopefully this happens after Bush cheats his way into office again, then he'll have another excuse to go on one of his rampages, and he'll brainwash some idiots while doing that too). And don't even bother replying to the remarks i made about the "slaughtering of the Iraqi ctizens" because: 1. yes, they were slaughtered and 2. It has been proven that if a country is to successfully overthrow its dictatorship, the citizens must do this themselves. Forcing democracy onto people just doesn't work. Yes, America could force their own personal dictatorship on iraq, but a true democracy? No.

And to finish this up, I quote these words exactly from you enforcer: "If you people accept my views no civilians will need to die if you dont many civilians will die its your choice." Hmmm, now was I the only one who thought you sounded a little odd there?

[THE ENFORCER]

Im really sick and tired of your ignorance i find myself repeating the same arguments you people obviously dont understand the severity of these circumstances in the world today nor are you willing to learn its really sad how its gonna take another terrorist attack for you people to understand inorder to stop terrorism there must be US intervention and if you dont support US intervention then you are just welcoming terrorist into your country. I think the only reason why you want to be against this war is not because of the facts not because of reasoning but just because you think war should never happen and nothing good comes out of it and also because you want to be a hippie and think its really cool to "fight the establishment" if you are against the war for those reasons then thats just stupid and damaging. My last post on the topic i hope you feel really happy when another terrorist comes and blows up your neighbourhood because thats the way you are acting on this forum.

Goodday, goodbye.

[THE ENFORCER]

WOW. I had so much to say after reading through this thread, so many places to prove the enforcer wrong, basically every post i could have corrected him. Then I thought "whats the point?" Every single other person in this thread has already corrected him, he's just too stupid to realize that he is wrong. Every argument he has made has been proven wrong, but he just goes on spouting his idiotic crap.

please define which points people proved as being wrong

THE ENFORCER, when every single other country and basically every citizen inhabiting these countries, AND a good amount of Americans also disagree with this whole issue, maybe stop to think that you might be wrong. The enforcer, if EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THESE WHOLE BOARDS, and ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO ISN"T OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP FEELS THE SAME WAY AS THEM, just stop and look at what you are saying man.

So your saying i should stop my views even though i know im right just to follow the majority and be a sheep, would christianity exist if Jesus followed that attitude? why werent the nazis stopped in germany by german citizens- because of that attitude they wanted to follow the majority and turn a blind eye? the attitude you stated is not democracy first of all and would lead to choas.

I don't know what Bush did to you, I don't know if you have mental problems, I don't know if you were tortured into believing what you've been preaching, I just don't know.

You dont seem to know much.

This is the single most idiotic post i have ever seen on these whole forums. The enforcer, you are the one that is too stuck in your own ways to realize that you are wrong (look at the evidence bro, about 50 people here think you are wrong, and you are the sole person who thinks you are right) Now why would everyone go and change their whole view on things and just listen to a single person. Especially when you are so obviously wrong. Maybe you should look at what everyone is saying and start to go by what we all know as common knowledge. I'm not going to go around proving all your posts wrong, because you will just make another idiotic rebuttle that lacks reason and sense. But one thing i just HAD to say... oh god where do I start.

Please give me examples on where my reasoning has flawed you.

You, and Bush, and all the right winger were NOT correct in what you did to Iraq. if (this will probably happen) another 1000 or so, oh no maybe 1 million, who knows maybe the whole world will get blown up (gotta love mutually assured destruction) it will not be us left-wingers' fault. Yes of course it will be the terrorists fault, but think about why they did it. Why don't the terrorists come over here and bomb Canada? We have far more people aligned on the left side of the political spectrum here. Because, if it is anyones fault it is completely Bush's and the America he has created (mind you, America was pretty bad off before when it comes to foreign friendship, Bush just made it on hell of a lot worse). You see unlike you, most people (including terrorists) see Bush's invasion of Iraq, slaughtering of their citizens, bombing of their Cities, basically crippling all of Iraq as a bad thing.

Oh gee and what about all the good that has happened you just conveintly left that out? Iraq is not crippled stop being a sheep infrastructure, power etc has been completely restored, Iraqi police are back on the streets, resistence groups are now being dealt by Iraqis these all point to signs of a recovery what you have stated is in the minority 17 soldiers not 10,000 but 17 did this, resistence groups are bombing their own towns, so you still want Saddam in power you sicken me.

All of what Bush has done has given terrorists much more incentive to bomb the crap out of America, so your views are the ones that will eventually get America bombed again (ooh hopefully this happens after Bush cheats his way into office again, then he'll have another excuse to go on one of his rampages, and he'll brainwash some idiots while doing that too).

So your saying we should just sit back and not do anything if we get bombed agian just say 'oh well' and hope they wont kill more US citizens well i wouldnt and im sure the families of 9/11 would want a more active approach in stopping terrorism instead of sitting back and waiting if we are able to stop terrorism at the heart in thier own countries then they wont attack USA if we wait like you have suggested then we are placing all the power to the terrorist if that is what you want then fine but people like me will continue to fight agianst terrorism actively and save lives if you dont want to do that then fine im too tired of you people.
And don't even bother replying to the remarks i made about the "slaughtering of the Iraqi ctizens" because: 1. yes, they were slaughtered and 2. It has been proven that if a country is to successfully overthrow its dictatorship, the citizens must do this themselves.

Its already be proven that Iraqis want democracy once agian im repeating the same argument!!!!!!! wake up!

Last post on topic, just wanted to prove that in every post im constantly repeating myself as in this one so its obvious that you people are unwilling to learn so i have stopped trying. Lets just do what Bob(srb) said and lets just sit back and wait and see what will happen.