Are you afraid of death? Ever think about it?

[PH]

lololollllllll u emo

okay

Nah, I just wouldn't want to burden any poor kid with my genes if he's already coming into a fucked up world.

[Theif of Time]

I think the idea of heaven is silly. Perhaps the concept, that we go somewhere else when we die, makes more sense to me, but the idea that we go to a perfect place where everybody is alive and well and its all *flowery cloudy happy* is too good to believe. I think the very best we can hope for is another chance at life, in short, reincarnation. I believe that when I die I will either be reincarnated somewhere in space/time, anywhere, as pretty much anything, or I will become a disembodied spirit flying around the cosmos. Either one would be pretty cool, the disembodied one has the bonus of you can watch over your friends/family once dead.

[Jerome Scuggs]

i dunno. somehwere in between two-wheeling a turn at 70 miles per hour and getting a total of 40 stitches in one sitting, i sort of lost the fear of death. i'm mainly afraid of what i'd miss from being alive - like, what if i died suddenly and didnt erase my porn collection? i'd go down in the annals of time as not jerome scuggs the great, but some nameless pervert and mogul of german pornography, the kind of pornography whose motto is "if there's a field, play ball!"

[Liquid Blue]

I tend to think most people these days have kids for completely selfish reasons. They want to continue their lineage, they want to extend their own lives through their kids, they want to have a purpose and think having kids will do that, etc. It all comes down to the same thing---me, me, me. It's fucking bullshit, because it's not as if kids really have the option to take a pass on being a part of this fucked up world.

I agree, although I don't want to have children to live my life through or just as an excuse for a purpose to live. I see way too many kids our age with kids of their own, which makes no sense to me. I don't know if it's not being responsible when having sex, or thinking a child will replace the love they can't find at home, or what- but I honestly think that you can't be that great of a parent if you're under a certain age (let's say 20). Sure, you can give it your all and do what you can for your kid, and I'll praise your efforts, it's just that I think a requirement for a good parent is experience, and having the wisdom or hindsight that only age can bring.

Anyway, in terms of extending my bloodline, I dunno..I just want to see what it would be like to have someone running around with a little bit of me in their genetic makeup. My dad wasn't around when I was growing up, so I also kind of want to counter-balance that I guess, by being as good of a father as I can be. I want to see what a child would turn into if they were raised by me, with my morals, values and principles as a blueprint.

might i remind you, if you bring a child into the world, you are doing it against the child's wishes, and it will grow old and slowly degrade and experience pain and suffering, then die. however, if you go childless, there is no chance of suffering =)

Against the child's wishes? Suffering? You're putting too much of a negative spin on things, I feel sorry for you at how you look at life. A good, protective and nurtured upbringing is the biggest blessing I think anyone could get, I don't see how you can think that by not raising a child you are easing it's suffering. Maybe for other kids and their parents, but your own child? I wouldn't deny them the chance to experience a sunset, to experience a first kiss, a christmas morning, being able to laugh, being loved, for anything in the world. You say it would be against their wishes, but they truly have no idea what they would be missing out on, so why should you decide to keep that from them just because of some pain and suffering? I truly believe that the moments we cherish wouldn't be as sweet without the pain, without the suffering that we have to go through. There is just as much joy in life as there is sadness, you just have to be brave enough to take both, hand in hand.

Sorry I got preachy up there, but I just want to help as many people as I can get away from the emo, life sucks point of view. I don't think life can get better until you cast that negative outlook away and aim to improve your situation, or your life. I want to be a family man down the road, a "daddy" eventually, but not yet. I remember a certain quote from someone -

Imagine life as your 15 minutes of fame. Your youth? It's 15 seconds.

So I cherish the time that I have now, being a young man. I embrace it, revel in it, and when it's time to move on to fatherhood, I'll do the same then. I guess for death..I guess you just have to enjoy what you have while you still have it. That way when it's over you know you took it for what it was worth and had the time of your life. No regrets.

[Squeezer]

pffffft. I dunno about you douchebags, but I'm scared as hell to die.

I got a lot of life left to live, so I'd rather not end it just yet.

Talk to me when I'm 60 though.

[Tone]

I don't see how you can think that by not raising a child you are easing it's suffering.

allow me to explain. if a child doesnt exist, it cannot suffer. thats how.

Against the child's wishes?

yes, you and I never asked to be born. who wants to be stuck in a fragile body that always has problems and deteriorates and is ruled by negative feedback mechanisms such as pain and dysphoria? what if your kid says "thanks for creating me asshole, what the fuck were you thinking". procreation is a great risk, you could bring a person into the world to suffer. since procreation has no purpose, the risk seems to be quite a con

[suxxor]

who wants to be stuck in a fragile body that always has problems and deteriorates and is ruled by negative feedback mechanisms such as pain and dysphoria?

I do, because that's the only way to experience love.

as far as the death topic goes. I'm not really afraid of it. I'm not looking forward to it, because I've got stuff to do before I'm done living. fear though.. not really. I've always figured that when you die, the same thing happens as when you go to sleep or get knocked out (when you don't have memorable dreams, that is). death just lasts longer.

[Theif of Time]

if you bring a child into the world, you are doing it against the child's wishes,

Before a child is conceived it has no capacity for thought, no capacity for wishes. It is not against the childs wishes because the child has none.

if a child doesnt exist, it cannot suffer.

I beg to differ. If a child does not exist, it has no capacity for suffering. It has no capacity for anything. It doesn't exist, you see, so it can't do or not do anything, aside from not exist. It is only when the brain and nervous system begin to develop that the child can actually experience something like suffering.
And it is the general consensus among most people I know that the good things in life are better and more numerous than the bad things.

[SaucyKing]

Before a child is conceived it has no capacity for thought, no capacity for wishes. It is not against the childs wishes because the child has none.


I beg to differ. If a child does not exist, it has no capacity for suffering. It has no capacity for anything. It doesn't exist, you see, so it can't do or not do anything, aside from not exist. It is only when the brain and nervous system begin to develop that the child can actually experience something like suffering.
And it is the general consensus among most people I know that the good things in life are better and more numerous than the bad things.

CHRIST he just owned your ass

[Sirius]

I can say this with certainty because I am God. - Pure Hatred

think u in the wrong universe there buddy, step off my land

[Theif of Time]

He never said he was your God.

The Preacher, the Politician, the Teacher,
Were each of them once a kiddie.
A child, indeed, is a wonderful creature.
Do I want one? God Forbiddie!

[Tone]

CHRIST he just owned your ass

Before a child is conceived it has no capacity for thought, no capacity for wishes. It is not against the childs wishes because the child has none

thats right, therefore theres no one to ask if they wish to be brought into this goodness forsaken world

I can say this with certainty because I am God. - Pure Hatred

think u in the wrong universe there buddy, step off my land

You all should now thank this guy, Sirius. he is the one who refered me to both subspace and this forum

[Theif of Time]

therefore theres no one to ask if they wish to be brought into this goodness forsaken world

And no answer, because, in the nature of nonexistance no answer can exist.

Lets think about this objectively. Take an unborn child, existing in a state of nonexistance (or not, if you will).
Since this unborn child does not exist, it has no concept of space or time, and thus can not exist in any space and at any time. Still following me? It then follows that, since the unborn child doesn't exist everywhere, there are infinite points in spacetime where it may be conceived, although only a finite number of conceptions. Now, this unborn nonexistant child, having been in nonexistance everywhere everytime, has already been conceived, at which point it ceased to be the unborn nonexistant child and began to exist. It cannot be asked if it wishes to exist because the instant it becomes something capable of answering, even hearing the question, it exists.

In short, you can't ask something that doesn't exist a question and wonder why it doesn't respond. You can't assume it would answer one way or the other because as soon as you do, it no longer becomes something that doesn't exist and becomes something that exists, because only something that exists can answer an existing question.

PS. If you ask something that doesn't exist a nonexistant question it would probably answer, but you won't know what the answer is unless you don't exist.

[PH]

think u in the wrong universe there buddy, step off my land

Polytheism. I am the god of Brie cheese, sex toys, nickel cadmium batteries and Texas Hold 'Em. You can have the rest of the shit.

[Jeansi]

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthr...hlight=epitaph

I'm not afraid of death, I'm more scared of being unable to move, eat and do stuff. I don't want to die after not being able to get out of bed for three years.