Latest G.W. Bush speech 11/30/05

[Riesen]

Yet people seem to think that JFK spent his life helping poor black people in the slums.

So no, I see the liberals as the hypocrites, not the conservatives.

Yeah, that whole Civil Rights Movement wasn't started (or at least helped along) by JFK, he was too busy fucking Marilyn Monroe and shitting through silk to be bothered with Civil Rights...He wasn't helping opressed minorities, he was helping Frank Sinatra and his mafia friends...

Fact is this, all politicians are liars. Every last fucking one of them. They all lie. It's not just one group or one party or person. And to be honest, although this sounds really awful and I hate saying it, when it comes to politics and leaders, etc, you have to pick the lesser of two evils...JFK did a lot of great things, he also did a lot of bad/stupid things. But the great things he did outweigh the bad things, and in the long run, the great things are what he's best remembered for and will continue to carry on.

I'm too lazy to find who and where it was asked "Where's my positive alternative"...Why don't you run for office? Why don't you actually try to change something instead of coming to the forums for fucking "Online Asteroids" to complain? You're old enough to vote, you're old enough to run for certain political offices. If you feel that you're so much better than these seedy politicians...prove it. Don't sit at your keyboard and type it, get your ass out there and make the changes you want. It's a free country (whatever country that is, you wouldn't be typing about this if it wasn't).

I'm tired of typing. I'll come back later.

[Epinephrine]

No you are wrong, apparently you did not correctly read what I wrote. I said he was 'one of the most', you are putting words in my mouth by saying that I wrote that he was THE most highly educated.

I am confused that you would agree with the general premise of my post yet go on to nit-pick details that you misread.

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Hmm I think my typos made my post wrong. I was quite aware you said 'one of the most'. What I meant was that since I can so easily name off so many who were also just as if not more highly educated, your assertion is wrong.

From the tone of your post it was obvious that you wanted to highlight the fact that Bush is exceptional in terms of at least education (even from your opening line about actually going to an Ivy League school). My point is that in terms of modern presidents, Bush is nothing special, but in fact even his academic abilities are not that exceptional at all when you put in it in the context of running a country. Because he is merely average compared to his peers (other presidents), his public face of looking a lot less intelligent than most of the rest is all we have to go by, and he really does look like an idiot in that context.

Sure Bush is more educated than those who were presidents in the 1800s before anyone really had masters degrees anyway, but speaking of this century he's pretty normal, thus your contention in the context of today is wrong.

[Ephemeral]

If your saying he isn't stupid, what difference does it make when he does his job so ineptly that is comes across as stupidity?

I thought I addressed the intelligence issue with my example about the people I work with. Some of these people are mathematical geniuses, incredible electrical engineers, astonishing programmers, or industrial design divas. Some can think ‘outside the box’ more than anyone I have every seen in this community. But I don’t allow virtually any of them input into business process decisions because they are clueless.
We are a team, some players can design, some can write algorithms, some can lay out a Pentium class PCB. I try to take advantage of each their strengths, I try to diminish their short-comings.
A good president (or leader) always does this. So where is the discussion about this regarding the Bush administration? Could it be that no one really wants to discuss the job he has done with his staff because this is simply a ‘I hate Bush’ thread?

My personal opinion, and not that it matters much, is that Bush is a below average president. But I try to form this opinion based on a balanced perspective, NOT from 30 second sound bites from the left biased media.



Is it not irony that this thread contains over 70 misspelled words, yet most are arguing that another person is not intelligent? Is it not irony that people say Bush doesn’t care yet they don’t care enough to spell check their own writing?

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

My point is that in terms of modern presidents, Bush is nothing special, but in fact even his academic abilities are not that exceptional at all when you put in it in the context of running a country. Because he is merely average compared to his peers (other presidents), his public face of looking a lot less intelligent than most of the rest is all we have to go by, and he really does look like an idiot in that context.

Sure Bush is more educated than those who were presidents in the 1800s before anyone really had masters degrees anyway, but speaking of this century he's pretty normal, thus your contention in the context of today is wrong.

The point is that he's actually less than special. You're saying he's about average intelligence? That's the fucking POINT. No one (or at least I certainly don't) want someone of AVERAGE intelligence running (or at very least being the figurehead for) the country. I want the best and the brightest, or at very least someone who can pronounce words like "nuclear" and other terms that are extremely relevant to the office. He's more educated than presidents from the 1800's? GOOD. AT LEAST HE HASN'T REGRESSED TO CRO-MAGNON STATUS YET.

You're arguing that he isn't the dumbest man alive. You're right, he isn't. But he isn't smart, and he doesn't deserve to be in the captain's chair of one of the most powerful countries on the planet. The end.

EDIT - I quoted the wrong person. Epi and are are actually pretty much on the same page. High five.

[Ephemeral]

...From the tone of your post it was obvious that you wanted to highlight the fact that Bush is exceptional in terms of at least education (even from your opening line about actually going to an Ivy League school). My point is that in terms of modern presidents, Bush is nothing special, but in fact even his academic abilities are not that exceptional at all when you put in it in the context of running a country. Because he is merely average compared to his peers (other presidents), his public face of looking a lot less intelligent than most of the rest is all we have to go by, and he really does look like an idiot in that context.

Sure Bush is more educated than those who were presidents in the 1800s before anyone really had masters degrees anyway, but speaking of this century he's pretty normal, thus your contention in the context of today is wrong.

I agree that Bush isn't as stupid as most think he is. ..

My point has been exactly as your first post stated, that he is not as stupid as people think he is. And it is true that I did not limit my context of his education to the last few decades. I do not consider him exceptional, but I consider him to have accomplished a lot more than the people in this thread have. Sorry for pointing that out, but it is true.

[Epinephrine]

EDIT: conc you bastard

But to Eph's defense, I have read many articles in reputable newspapers (even the left-leaning NYTimes) that have said that in person Bush is a lot smarter than he seems on TV. Of course that could just be reporters sucking up to get more 'face time' with the president, but I don't think it would be as consistant as I've read.

(as for my position, I think even if Bush is smart, his ideas are wrong. Look at Cheney, he's incredibly smart, it comes off in any interviews he has. But the man is just a snake and is quite possibly evil.)

[Kyace]

Anyone not from the south assume people with accents from the south are dumb, no?

[Ephemeral]

The point is that he's actually less than special. You're saying he's about average intelligence? That's the fucking POINT. No one (or at least I certainly don't) want someone of AVERAGE intelligence running (or at very least being the figurehead for) the country. I want the best and the brightest, or at very least someone who can pronounce words like "nuclear" and other terms that are extremely relevant to the office. He's more educated than presidents from the 1800's? GOOD. AT LEAST HE HASN'T REGRESSED TO CRO-MAGNON STATUS YET.

You're arguing that he isn't the dumbest man alive. You're right, he isn't. But he isn't smart, and he doesn't deserve to be in the captain's chair of one of the most powerful countries on the planet. The end.

EDIT - I quoted the wrong person. Epi and are are actually pretty much on the same page. High five.

I concur, but name some the alternatives at election time, would you rather have a Rhodes scholar who lies about getting blow jobs from interns? Perhaps a guy who states that he invented the internet? A guy who’s experience is all in the movie industry? Let’s face it, what level a person’s intelligence is has nothing to do with being a President. No matter what, they all still have to hold the party line.

[Epinephrine]

I concur, but name some the alternatives at election time, would you rather have a Rhodes scholar who lies about getting blow jobs from interns? Perhaps a guy who states that he invented the internet? A guy who’s experience is all in the movie industry? Let’s face it, what level a person’s intelligence is has nothing to do with being a President. No matter what, they all still have to hold the party line.

Actually as uncharasmatic as Al Gore was, I think he would have done a fine job. He never did say he invented the internet, that was just an urban legend. He just said he approved funding for some early projects in the internet and that got overblown. Similarily even with his $500 haircuts, I think Kerry would have done a better job if only because his 'party line' is something I personally agree with more.. of course not as an American this is just speculation

[Ephemeral]

Actually as uncharasmatic as Al Gore was, I think he would have done a fine job. He never did say he invented the internet, that was just an urban legend. He just said he approved funding for some early projects in the internet and that got overblown. Similarily even with his $500 haircuts, I think Kerry would have done a better job if only because his 'party line' is something I personally agree with more.. of course not as an American this is just speculation

His exact quote was, " During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
People can decide for themselves what he meant.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...anscript.gore/

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I concur, but name some the alternatives at election time, would you rather have a Rhodes scholar who lies about getting blow jobs from interns?

Rather than a man who starts irrational wars? Yes.

Perhaps a guy who states that he invented the internet?

I'd rather have a guy who takes quotes out of context and exploits them to make a point.

A guy who’s experience is all in the movie industry?

At least he didn't flush his company (a few companies, in fact) down the shitter.

Let’s face it, what level a person’s intelligence is has nothing to do with being a President. No matter what, they all still have to hold the party line.

Maybe so, but it's amazing how most modern Presidents before this one have all done at least ONE positive thing, and this one just sits in his ranch in Texas thumbing his own asshole while the castle crumbles around him. I'm sorry, but I've said it before: name one positive thing the man has done that doesn't DIRECTLY affect his wealth or standing. One POSITIVE thing for humanity or the American people on a whole.

[Troll King]

Understood and point taken, the context of my reply was limited to US politics.

I think there still might be a mix-up: Liberal and Conservative, when spelled with a capital letter in Canada refer to political parties, so in Cops' post that you quoted he was talking more about the parties than the political spectrum.

[Pressure Drop]

I thought I addressed the intelligence issue with my example about the people I work with. Some of these people are mathematical geniuses, incredible electrical engineers, astonishing programmers, or industrial design divas. Some can think ‘outside the box’ more than anyone I have every seen in this community. But I don’t allow virtually any of them input into business process decisions because they are clueless.
We are a team, some players can design, some can write algorithms, some can lay out a Pentium class PCB. I try to take advantage of each their strengths, I try to diminish their short-comings.
A good president (or leader) always does this. So where is the discussion about this regarding the Bush administration? Could it be that no one really wants to discuss the job he has done with his staff because this is simply a ‘I hate Bush’ thread?

My personal opinion, and not that it matters much, is that Bush is a below average president. But I try to form this opinion based on a balanced perspective, NOT from 30 second sound bites from the left biased media.



Is it not irony that this thread contains over 70 misspelled words, yet most are arguing that another person is not intelligent? Is it not irony that people say Bush doesn’t care yet they don’t care enough to spell check their own writing?

there is no irony in misspelt words on a causal forum where the only relevance is to try and get the jist of your point across. Perhaps if the thread was about falling standards of english being linked to text messaging or internet chats. It doesn't matter if you question someones intelligence and missspell words here, its not formal and intelligence isn't linked with spelling the same way its not liked to public speaking.


You missed my point, would you get one of your stereotype maths geniuses to be president? no it doesn't seem like they would be good. Yet Bush ran for Presidency and is coming across stupid. Your getting bogged down in technicalities of it.

Bush looks stupid. The rest of the world only see the 30 seconds speeches where he fucks up. They only see the bad moves he makes. THats what they will and i do judge him on. So for all intensive purposes he is stupid. I'm not about to have a cup off tea and an intellectual debate with him anytime soon so you've got to make assumptions based on what you know.

[Ephemeral]

Ok, ok
I give up, you guys are right, I am wrong. Bush has an IQ of 50.

And there is nothing wrong or hypocritical by flaming another person's intelligence when you can't spell, form a complete sentence, or build a proper paragraph yourself.

Sorry, my bad.

[Nethila]

this is all i got to say:

iraq right now is in worse condition than when it's under saddam's control/dictatorship.. sure, US brought 'freedom' there, but im sorry, iraq is a multi-religious country, the only way it can be stable and not self destruct is to be ruled under a power house, guys like saddam.. Whether he is 'evil' or not, you cant deny the fact that he is one heck of a guy to keep iraq in tact for so damn long..

and wasnt the whole purpose of war on iraq was saddam has WMD? ?find wmd