HeavenSent is bigoted

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i generally see buddhism very skeptically. i mean their idea of a perfect monk is like one who doesn't socialize, doesnt do anything productive, doesnt even eat unless it's absolutely essential. maybe that's something some people want to do, but i'd rather live life.

another thing i just thought, we have a strange idea that because this is their ideal, they are a peaceful religion. this isn't really true.

any other opinions on buddhism out there? or hindu stuff?

or about jainism? that'd get back towards the PETA discussion...

[HeavenSent]

You have a pretty short memory.

Again, it's just an opinion. I haven't stated that i'd support any action to stop it... and I woudn't. I don't get into the crusades of activists. That's what I've been trying to say from the beginning. Although I have an opinion on the matter, that's as far as it goes. I'm not gonna stop anyone from doing anything, except for the obvious... like trying to kill me.. or someone else or something of that nature. Aside from that I don't care what people do in their private lives.
When it comes to other people and what they choose to do, I would say I'm highly stoic in my motivation. I don't have a desire to change the world or people for that matter. I leave everything up to God. Whatever happens is God's will and is fine with me. I am completely and wholly dependant God's blessings in my life. If it's bad, i deserve it. If it's good, I don't deserve it, but the Lord makes my life more bearable and encourages me with an occasional blessing.

[Kolar]

I was skimming and just saw this. Am I the only one that saw that and had to do a double take?

I missed it but that's not right. I don't think about hurting people, even people who piss me off. I certainly don't weight the benefits of taking a life or causing harm. I think it's cutting it close, I mean if it's all that keeps you from flipping out and going nuts on all of us with whatever you have on hand.. then your religion and ideology is failing you. By saying that all that makes us different from animals is that we're made in the image of something better to me cheapens nearly 30,000 years of human progress, reason and ingenuity. It has taken a lot of time and work for civilization to flurish, I can't think of anything more deadly to it then the idea that it wasn't our work, our suffering and our acomplishments.

[HeavenSent]

I missed it but that's not right. I don't think about hurting people, even people who piss me off. I certainly don't weight the benefits of taking a life or causing harm. I think it's cutting it close, I mean if it's all that keeps you from flipping out and going nuts on all of us with whatever you have on hand.. then your religion and ideology is failing you. By saying that all that makes us different from animals is that we're made in the image of something better to me cheapens nearly 30,000 years of human progress, reason and ingenuity. It has taken a lot of time and work for civilization to flurish, I can't think of anything more deadly to it then the idea that it wasn't our work, our suffering and our acomplishments.

It was a gross exageration to illustrate a point. That point is.. is that there are many things that go through the mind that should not be acted upon. That's the difference between someone deranged with a psychotic illness and a normal person... or given the example, a carnally driven person compared to a spiritually driven person.

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It was a gross exageration to illustrate a point. That point is.. is that there are many things that go through the mind that should not be acted upon. That's the difference between someone deranged with a psychotic illness and a normal person... or given the example, a carnally driven person compared to a spiritually driven person.

Oddly enough, Fallwell, Robertson & Swaggart all fall into both sides of these categories. And lets not forget Jim Jones aka "The Kool Aid Kid"

[HeavenSent]

Oddly enough, Fallwell, Robertson & Swaggart all fall into both sides of these categories. And lets not forget Jim Jones aka "The Kool Aid Kid"

charlatans + psycho

[Kolar]

It was a gross exageration to illustrate a point. That point is.. is that there are many things that go through the mind that should not be acted upon. That's the difference between someone deranged with a psychotic illness and a normal person... or given the example, a carnally driven person compared to a spiritually driven person.

Again making parallels between humanists, gays and the mentally ill. I don't act on urges as they arise. Humans are emotionally driven aswell as driven by reason and logic (most of the time). Animals are driven by instinct, they feel nor think like us in more then a basic manner. While it is true we have basic instincts like animals a majority of our social interaction is not dominated by them.

You can not make the claim that people who do not conform to your way of thinking are entirely motivated and driven by primal urges. A psychotic person is not necessarily someone with "bad" or "unchristian" thoughts passing through their mind nor a person with purely primitive thoughts. A psychotic person is someone who generally is detached from reaility, someone who continues actions with expected but failing results and a person who is disorganized with incoherent speech and thought. To most of them, their actions seem logically sound and socially normal. I didn't say that to make a connection that all christians are psychotic.

I have to ask what kind of education, formal or imformal, do you have in sociology?

[Galleleo]

My being a prick is fine, call me that all you want...I tell people I work with all the time that it's my middle name.

That's what you get for watching the game with me and grabbing a beer, I have that effect on people.

On a different side note, the only religions I like are the eastern religions, Buddhism, Taoism (sp?), Ying Yang stuff. Tho, I have not studied them, or do research about what it exactly is about. But from what I know about religions around the world, the Eastern ones are the most peacefull, and aren't so much about getting other to become part of that religion with the excuse that they'll go to heaven after they die (or something else). I however, will never be religious, but if I had to chose, I would def. go for an eastern one.

[Vykromond]

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[brookus]

Gimme a break, will ya?
Maybe I just heard the rumor long ago and never cared enough to listen to the myth to unfold.

This explains a lot about you. You need to visit the jref forums and try to post your statements there. You'll hear one word a lot : "Evidence?". Learn it. Find it.

llater,
Tony

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My sig is bolded B)

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another thing i just thought, we have a strange idea that because this is their ideal, they are a peaceful religion. this isn't really true.

On a different side note, the only religions I like are the eastern religions, Buddhism, Taoism (sp?), Ying Yang stuff. Tho, I have not studied them, or do research about what it exactly is about. But from what I know about religions around the world, the Eastern ones are the most peacefull, and aren't so much about getting other to become part of that religion with the excuse that they'll go to heaven after they die (or something else). I however, will never be religious, but if I had to chose, I would def. go for an eastern one.

uhhh, yeah.
i think what we learn about eastern religions is completely taken on faith.
it's like learning that christianity is focussed on love and peace.
it's the difference between theoretical and reality, and we in the western world simply dont see the reality of the eastern religion.

[Liquid Blue]

I think most gay men are terrified of women; or intimidated by them in some way.

Wait, what? Are gay people different where you live? Every gay guy that I know/see has tons of female friends, gay guys being intimidated by women just sounds ridiculous to me.


Rich- Coming to America? GG, I forgot about that one. I wonder if we can throw in Eddie's smash hit 'Party All the Time'.

[Bioture]

That's interesting, I've talked about it with an equal amount of heterosexuals and homosexuals. It couldn't be that you've had that conversation with mostly heterosexual people because they're the ones who have the most problems wrapping their mind around the possibility that it just might be natural, could it?

What's interesting is that you've actually investigated this matter instead of just listening to the people doing the talking. How many of each did you talk to? And have you already made up your mind that it IS natural based on your little intellectual excursion?

Being "bigoted" means you have strong partiality to your own group (be it race, religion, politics, etc) and are strongly intolerant of those who differ. By calling people "fags" and "queers" while telling a group that they can't marry because your group should own "marriage"... you don't call that strongly partial and intolerant of homosexuality? I would.

No more "bigoted" than calling people "hypocrites" and "intolerant" because of one little verse in the old testament? I don't think marriage is a problem - I believe that homosexuals should be allowed to marry and have all the rights that legal marriage can afford them. But if one christian stands out and says that this isn't a "Holy" matrimony, all hell breaks loose. What would you have us do? Conform a liberal belief of non-intervention or be free to express our beliefs freely as you do?

By definition, being "hypocritical" means having feelings or virtues that one does not actually have. It has nothing to do with judgement on moral values or beliefs, it simply means saying one thing and believing another. He says he wants people to be able to do whatever they want ("whatever" isn't a limited term, getting married is included), but he admits he doesn't mean it in certain circumstances. That's hypocritical.

Again, the marriage thing in action is fine by me. Just don't expect me to call it "holy" matrimony. I also want people to do whatever they want, but I also want them to know the consequences.

[1ight]

For your note: I haven't read every single post of the 4 pages.

Since you are talking about homosexuals, I might just give you my opinion on it. Just to make it simple.. when I was a child, you know children play. And we all know when you take your fingers and make a circle with the thumb and the "pointing finger" which automatically makes it a pussy. Which you may penetrate with your other finger. Now children knows that 2 pointing fingers don't fit togheter or by having 2 "circles" they don't fit. But with one "circle" and one "pointing finger" it goes.

If you have noticed children often point out things very straight and sharp and they are for real when they say somthing.

Anyways, so basically man and woman are made for each other. And the fact that a male and a female are able to reproduce also says alot. Now a man and a man are not able to do this naturally or a female and a female. You need a sperm from a male and a woman's egg to make a new life or more. So ask yourself what is more logical.

I really don't want to go any deeper into this, so I'll leave you with that coconut to chew on. =d