gay ppl

[Ephemeral]

Why do we use "gay" as an expression for something negativ?

eg: "Man, that's gay!"

Although your definition is current slang, it is not in most dictionaries that way. In most dictionaries it actually is something positive, "having or showing a merry, lively mood".

A person's sexual desire is not all based around reproduction requirements of humans. Sexual desires can be based on many other factors, such as what a person might think of as 'dirty' or 'kinky'.

[Noah]

Just to support what he's saying, I love to fuck in the ass.

Nothing to do with reproduction. Do that mean that I'm somewhat gay because I enjoy sex that cannot lead to reproduction?

(Please tell me how I'm going to hell because of this Ronn, it will be funnee)

[PjOtTeR]

What I don't get is people like you saying Ronn cannot or may not believe being gay is a bad thing. If that truely is what he believes, let him...
As I personally believe there is no god nor anything, no heave no hell.. just a lot of atoms that make me what I am... and once I die they stop working and they will somehow return somewhere else to be lived through again, no soul no nothing... That's why I think one should have as much fun in life as possible. Wether he decides to be gay or whatever is his own choice, and let him life that choice... if one decides to be a homophobe, let him be that homophobe and don't give him the pleasure of arguing his believes.

I meself think being homosexual should be considered as a normall thing, and should even be encouraged. As long as everyone that is the slightest bit homosexual, comes out for it and thus isn't able to reproduce, this thing. (you could call it an illness even, because if all gay people were openly gay, they wouldn't be able to reproduce and everyone with the "gayvirus" would die.)
Btw, I am not calling this an illness, I'm just saying why it could be called one, and why people call it that.

There really is a lot of ways to look at this particular subject. For one, if it was "natural" you would be able to reproduce urself with it.
So yes, I guess I believe being gay is something that isn't completely "natural". However, I also believe you should just let them live their lifes the way they want to, and let them have their dignity. Because being gay is something you cannot do anything about, it's determined somewhere inside your body/genepool... let them live their lifes and let them die, just like any other person.

[Vykromond]

What I don't get is people like you saying Ronn cannot or may not believe being gay is a bad thing. If that truely is what he believes, let him...

No one said this.

(you could call it an illness even, because if all gay people were openly gay, they wouldn't be able to reproduce and everyone with the "gayvirus" would die.)

Look, I know this biology stuff is complicated, but...

[DUMBRIT!]

There really is a lot of ways to look at this particular subject. For one, if it was "natural" you would be able to reproduce urself with it.
So yes, I guess I believe being gay is something that isn't completely "natural".

How can something that happens in nature not be natural?

[Zeebu]

sometimes i say 'gay as aids' to show frustration

is this pad practice?

[PjOtTeR]

How can something that happens in nature not be natural?

As you see, I ""th the natural part... Since it happens in nature, what I ment to say was that it is different compared to the standard.
So what I basicly was saying is that homosexuals are different from the general folk. In other words they are not "normall"... but the same goes for a lot of things, like people with the syndrome of down for instance...
(Isn't it fun how I compare gay people to people with the syndrome of down? <_< )
I'm sure that homosexual people think about this the same way at one point... Since people see being straight has normall (it's the standard), they find it normall to be atracted to girls if you're a male and to boys if you're a female. So at the point a homosexual male for instance feels attracted to males, he must feel "not normall"... So in other words it is not them being wrong, but it is actually the perception of "how the world should be" within people that isn't portrayed right.

[DoTheFandango]

If you are against sodomy because its against nature, Dante Alighieri says you have to be against oral sex and using a condom, as the act of giving sperm is not recognized.

[genocidal]

As you see, I ""th the natural part... Since it happens in nature, what I ment to say was that it is different compared to the standard.
So what I basicly was saying is that homosexuals are different from the general folk. In other words they are not "normall"... but the same goes for a lot of things, like people with the syndrome of down for instance...
(Isn't it fun how I compare gay people to people with the syndrome of down? <_< )
I'm sure that homosexual people think about this the same way at one point... Since people see being straight has normall (it's the standard), they find it normall to be atracted to girls if you're a male and to boys if you're a female. So at the point a homosexual male for instance feels attracted to males, he must feel "not normall"... So in other words it is not them being wrong, but it is actually the perception of "how the world should be" within people that isn't portrayed right.

I need to take a shit.

[milosh]

What lines of scripture or whatever are you citing to think that your god wants you to slander and hate your fellow man?

this ^

don't pretend like you're basing your beliefs on christian values because you're acting like a complete douche. although the bible suggest that homosexuality is a choice rather than an orientation and God is displeased by it, Jesus himself said that the first two and greatest commandments were to love God and love your neighbor. Telling people they are disgusting, perverted, and damned for hell may be true, but it certainly isn't loving.

keep in mind there are things that you have done that are disgusting and perverted, and then read romans 3:23 and romans 6:23.

[Zerzera]

Wether he decides to be gay or whatever is his own choice, and let him life that choice... if one decides to be a homophobe, let him be that homophobe and don't give him the pleasure of arguing his believes.

I never chosen to be heterosexual, so to me it feels pretty bold to claim someone who isn't heterosexual actually made a rational decision to be homosexual.

On the other hand. You could, from religious point of view, claim that someone has to face his own challenges God has put up for him. Therefor one might have to suppress his 'nature'.
Like Ronn gets aroused very often, but doesn't masturbate to porn, because that would go against the will of God.

So Ronn doesn't judge them for being homosexual, he judges them for not fighting their feelings, like he so bravely does.

[phata$$]

Nah the only ones with no opinions are the ones that dont stand up and say that gays are discusting sex perverts. This liberal society has turned everyone into apathetic morons who tolerate everything even things that should be abhorrent to us such as homosexuality. Why does everyone have a femanine "go with the flow" attidude? you will only give your voice to things that the media makes acceptable, what about gods law and gods standard? or just simply say what you really belive!

Seems like someone has been stripped butt naked, blindfolded and sent walking backwards through a cornfield before. I don't know, I'm just making extreme assumptions. Isn't that what we're doing here?

[Noah]

this ^

don't pretend like you're basing your beliefs on christian values because you're acting like a complete douche. although the bible suggest that homosexuality is a choice rather than an orientation and God is displeased by it, Jesus himself said that the first two and greatest commandments were to love God and love your neighbor. Telling people they are disgusting, perverted, and damned for hell may be true, but it certainly isn't loving.

keep in mind there are things that you have done that are disgusting and perverted, and then read romans 3:23 and romans 6:23.

Good post.

[Galleleo]

So pjotter, you claim that everyone that is gay has a gay parent who is just not being open about his/her gayness and is reproducing?

Does that mean that people who like SM have parents who like SM? Does that mean because you for instance like blond dumb girls (not saying you do) your mother is a dumb blond girl (not saying she is, example) and your father liked her for that, thus passing that on to you?

[Squeezer]

So pjotter, you claim that everyone that is gay has a gay parent who is just not being open about his/her gayness and is reproducing?

Does that mean that people who like SM have parents who like SM? Does that mean because you for instance like blond dumb girls (not saying you do) your mother is a dumb blond girl (not saying she is, example) and your father liked her for that, thus passing that on to you?

I think what he's trying to say (or at least what I got from it) is that certain parenting types and actions can find their way into a child's psyche and make them more susceptible to homosexuality.

Either way, he's still wrong as there is no scientific evidence to suggest that the parents have any more powerful of a role on a child's development sexually than any other factor. After all, who's to say it isn't genetic, or ordained by God? Those are both just as viable solutions.

Therein with lies the problem, we have no one, true, definitive explanation. I'm perfectly fine with leaving it unexplained (and judging by most of the responses in this thread, so are my fellow TWers), but it saddens me to see so much ignorant disdain for people that simply want to live their lives just like the rest of us.

edit: I forgot to add the most likely situation of them all; they choose to be gay. If that's the case I still don't see where anyone would get caught up in fighting against another's rights. I guess some people still feel the need to feel superior to others.