Proof the Bible is Garbage?

[Noah]

But we must respect the other guy's religion. Respect it in the same sense and degree that we respect his theory that his is wife is beautiful and his children smart.

I wouldn't say that christianity is respecting other religions when you look at past history. Missionaries going into Africa giving tribes the choise of either accept god, or else they will receive no help or medicine. This is just one of many examples on that.

Christianity is constantly adapting and changing after what standards are set in the society, and by doing that is abandoning some parts that are previously said to be the absolute truth. Those who weren't agreeing on those parts were KILLED for it.

[Bioture]

Isn't it egotistical and prideful to claim that the god of your religion is the perfect one?

What about the other religions that has a very different than you? Why can you claim that yours is perfect, and by that judge the others to not be perfect (since they are different)?

And please do not come with the weakest argument in the history of the forum: "Because god made it that way".

- It isn't my ego or my pride that's making that claim. The doctrine of my "religion" claims that. Notice how I put "religion" in quotes... you should be careful when using that word, since my "religion" involves a lot more than a preset list of beliefs and behaviors.
- Again, you're refering to the person. I'm not making any claims. The bible (which I've come to believe wholeheartedly as the true word of God) claims that there is one way to God, which I also believe. Regardless of whether or not you share the belief, realize when you're seeking to attack MY actions, it's really the doctrine you're attacking. Which is cool because every "religion" out there states that there will be opposition. My stance, is that it doesn't matter whether or not my "religion" seems perfect or reasonable or even rational to YOU. What matters is that I believe what I believe - you're free to do the same thing.

[Bioture]

I wouldn't say that christianity is respecting other religions when you look at past history. Missionaries going into Africa giving tribes the choise of either accept god, or else they will receive no help or medicine. This is just one of many examples on that.

Christianity is constantly adapting and changing after what standards are set in the society, and by doing that is abandoning some parts that are previously said to be the absolute truth. Those who weren't agreeing on those parts were KILLED for it.

It seems like you've been jaded with what christians have done. I'm not going to argue the fact that there are some sick motherfuckers out there who are christians. i.e. the president of Christian Children Fund, but there are a few problems with your argument about missionaries only giving help to those to "convert."

My main beef is another statement that has little grounding. I would like to know where you got this information, besides "word of mouth." How often does this happen? Where does it happen regularly? Can you simply state that all missionary trips to africa are conducted this way? Do you really have all the information you need to accept that this is absolutely true, or is this just something that's easy for you to believe based on your opposing views on christianity?

As for your second statement, which standards are these? What do you know about who has died (and, in a far more important point, who has LIVED) for christianity? And which parts were said before in "absolute truth?"

I'm not trying to bust your balls, but what you said there reminds me of how I used to look at things. I'm just trying to keep it opened up a little more than it is

[Jerome Scuggs]

I guess ppl we're really depressed at the time they started to write the bible. They needed something to give them the strength to live on.
Today we got computer games, porn and pan pizzas so we don't need that shit anymore.

Haha, Nietzche's "God Is Dead" argument in modern form

[Ephemeral]

Noah,
My posts were written in irony. My point was that I do not believe that the Bible should be taken literally. My other point was that people often 'buy into' their beliefs too strongly and then promote them as truths.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Noah,
My posts were written in irony. My point was that I do not believe that the Bible should be taken literally. My other point was that people often 'buy into' their beliefs too strongly and then promote them as truths.

Yeah, for all of God's writing about how Faith is the most important quality to have, alot of people seem to be relying on trying to prove the Bible is true. It shouldn't matter, you have faith, right? Even if you prove the Bible's events are true, I'm still not going to have faith, I'm just going to be pissed off that my God is a bigger emo kid than Hopkin.

[Noah]

In no way am I taking any offense in what you are saying Bioture, I enjoy it. So keep up the arguments.

I haven't witnessed any of those things I've said on previous posts. It's "just" historically documented. If you want to have actual sources, I'd help you look up some information, but we both know that it isn't neccesary.

If you use the christian religion as an umbrella to front your believes, than you have to accept that all parts of that religion will be applied to you. I see your point that theres a difference in personal belives and the doctrine of your religion. However, when you front yourself as a christian, then as I said earlier, those things will naturally be applied to you.

There was a time when saying that the Earth wasn't flat, was considered heracy and punishable by death. That changed when science could actually prove this to be wrong. I could be slightly wrong about this one, so I'll throw in another one: The sun revolved the earth, and not opposite. I can remember learning this from my school days.

Again, I wasn't there to learn this first-hand (about 0,1% of my general knowledge is experienced first-hand), but we still learn history.

(This post may be a semi-rambling rant, I'm tired and I just got this huge fuckup to deal with at work, so my mind is slightly afk).

Edit: I had this reply window up for the longest time, so I didn't see a bunch of posts inbetween. If something any of you said changes things, I'll edit it later. Right now I just got way to much to do all of a sudden.

I'm not going to remove anything from my original post, I'll just add a little something for you Eph/Jerome.

I actually didn't get your irony, we've had those on the forums, and everywhere else that has spouted this as truth.

I get what you guys are saying about taking the bible in your own way, but that again brings up a question. How can you just pick a few parts here and there that is set as small parts in a bigger religion that suits you? I mean, seems like you are just picking out some parts that doesn't suit you from something that is a full package.

[Ephemeral]

Science is science and faith in a God is faith in a God, the two are not mutually exclusive. If you do not take the bible literally, then both science and faith in God can co-exist nicely. For me, I choose to view this the same as I do poetry. A poet can understand and accept all the ‘rules’ of writing a good poem. This is the same as humans understanding and accepting science. But writing a poem simply using the ‘rules’ of poetry does not define or say anything about the meaning of a poem. So understanding and accepting scientific facts will never really define the meaning of life (at least for me).

[Noah]

Yes, they can mutually excist.

However, as I said earlier, science has proven christianity wrong on some areas (astronomy). That reduces the credibility of the religion by quite alot.

I have no problems with those who has a personal faith like you and Jerome, who just belives that there are something else out there. But that's quite different from all of the standards and the morality which is accociated with christianity.

I do not have an issue with religion is general, I admire Buddishm. Mostly because it's a religion which is not forced opun others.

[Soul Survivor]

My 'faith' in evolution is based on tangible, quantifiable, calibrated evidence sourced by the greatest minds humanity has ever seen.

Your 'faith' in creationism is based on dogmatic, illogical, disproven ideas sourced by meglomaniacs who wanted to imprint a set of ideologies on the intellectually weak.

LOLOLOL What proof? Show me your proof...... Evolution has never been proven on a large scale(Marco). Darwin was a great mind?? LOL Read up on his life history. Tangible??? Show me please. Evolution is theroy, we accept it as fact because (we meaning society) there is no "Tangible" proof that God exists. In the same token there only a handful of fossils for the amout of species that "Science" says existed.

Metal Headz it takes more "Faith" for someone to believe in evolution then in a God. Let me simplify it for you.

1) No one saw the big bang. We are but a grain of sand in the universe. Radiation reaching us PROVES nothing. (It could be radiation for a star that went supernova)
2) No one has ever witness Non living matter i.e paper become living matter.
3) No one has found the tangible fossil record that you claim there is. Trillions upon trillinons of transitional fossils don't just disappear.
4) No one has lived 3 million years to watch something decay to properly caculate the half-life
5)No one has ever seen evolution(Marco) although we have seen micro it happens everyday
6) Most of the fossil record we have are sedimentary which means it would support a Great Flood happening rather than an ice age that happend over thousand of millions of years.


Like I said Before both evolution and creationism take faith

[Saturn V]

LOLOLOL What proof? Show me your proof...... Evolution has never been proven on a large scale(Marco). Darwin was a great mind?? LOL Read up on his life history. Tangible??? Show me please. Evolution is theroy, we accept it as fact because (we meaning society) there is no "Tangible" proof that God exists. In the same token there only a handful of fossils for the amout of species that "Science" says existed.

Metal Headz it takes more "Faith" for someone to believe in evolution then in a God. Let me simplify it for you.

1) No one saw the big bang. We are but a grain of sand in the universe. Radiation reaching us PROVES nothing. (It could be radiation for a star that went supernova)
2) No one has ever witness Non living matter i.e paper become living matter.
3) No one has found the tangible fossil record that you claim there is. Trillions upon trillinons of transitional fossils don't just disappear.
4) No one has lived 3 million years to watch something decay to properly caculate the half-life
5)No one has ever seen evolution(Marco) although we have seen micro it happens everyday
6) Most of the fossil record we have are sedimentary which means it would support a Great Flood happening rather than an ice age that happend over thousand of millions of years.


Like I said Before both evolution and creationism take faith

You don't even know the meaning of "theory". Quit posting.

[Scoop]

Holy shit a lot of y'all are heathens. There is a lot of proof that the bible is truthful, and I for one, hope that you guys find God before it is too late.

[Kontrolz]

Both Christianity and Athiesm take faith. One says there is "GOD" one says no there is no "GoD"

Semantics, it's impossible to have a "non-belief".

The self is made up of beliefs. Besides, educated atheists don't prefer to be classified under the title "atheist" because it's like another religion in that context.

[Soilderz]

this is my oppinion: bible is crap ;<

[Jerome Scuggs]

I'm not going to remove anything from my original post, I'll just add a little something for you Eph/Jerome.

I actually didn't get your irony, we've had those on the forums, and everywhere else that has spouted this as truth.

I get what you guys are saying about taking the bible in your own way, but that again brings up a question. How can you just pick a few parts here and there that is set as small parts in a bigger religion that suits you? I mean, seems like you are just picking out some parts that doesn't suit you from something that is a full package.

Well, first, you must realize that Christianity itself is also a collection of parts from previous full packages. It wasn't an especially unique religion, it still isn't.

That being said, I don't really take "parts" from the Bible. I was raised southern baptist, yes, but I've long since rejected the tenets of Christianity, mainly because it's a pretty altruistic religion (most are), and I don't see self-sacrifice and living a really simple, "holy" lifestyle as things I'd wanna do, and I don't see why a God who created everything we see, would then tell us that alot of it is unholy, or against "his will".

But, I've also done enough drugs to see, or at least believe in, a spiritual layer of human existence. I'm always refining and re-examining what that spirit is, so I can't tell you WHAT I believe, I can just tell you that I'm "spiritual". It doesn't matter, as long as I've found my own inner peace, which is good enough for me.