American Elections '08

[Reaver]

No I believe the Constitution does, I was stating that Ron Paul doesn't think that is true. Being a strict Constitutionalist as he is any legislation would not be impeded by any such condition. I'm not saying he is for more Government intrusion or intervention, just that he doesn't support the fact and legal precedent that the Government doesn't have the legal authority to interfere in our personal lives. You can't overturn legal precedent and expect nothing to happen.

Then I don't think we're disagreeing on anything. You can be a staunch constitutionalist and still be for women's suffrage despite it not being originally in the constitution just like you can be for giving people privacy. The fact that he believes the states should handle abortion or gay marriage isn't any indication of poor leadership. In fact that's great leadership. Trying to pass massive laws like saying yes you may have abortion or no you may not, across a huge empire, is a bad way of doing things, whether you're for or against abortion. I could go on and explain why but I don't think that's necessary. Allowing states to decipher on these things is in the best interest of all people.

[Kolar]

Wait, so he's adamantly supported less involvement of government in people's personal life and your claim is that the constitution doesn't guarantee the right to privacy... This is obvious but just because the constitution doesn't guarantee the right to privacy doesn't mean Ron Paul is against it. That's like saying Ron Paul doesn't believe in women's suffrage because it wasn't in the original constitution. Makes no sense dude.

No I believe the Constitution does, I was stating that Ron Paul doesn't think that is true. Being a strict Constitutionalist as he is any legislation would not be impeded by any such condition. I'm not saying he is for more Government intrusion or intervention, just that he doesn't support the fact and legal precedent that the Government doesn't have the legal authority to interfere in our personal lives. You can't overturn legal precedent and expect nothing to happen.

[Reaver]

Sorry Reaver, getting late and I didn't feel like spending time finding the articles again.

While Paul is much better then Huckabee his views that the Constitution does not guarantee the right to privacy nor the Separation of Church and State and a lot of other things that fundamentally makes him a bad leader.

If you want a simple overview or wouldn't care to do real research on each candidate Wikipedia has articles titled "Political_positions_of_[]".

Wait, so he's adamantly supported less involvement of government in people's personal life and your claim is that the constitution doesn't guarantee the right to privacy... This is obvious but just because the constitution doesn't guarantee the right to privacy doesn't mean Ron Paul is against it. That's like saying Ron Paul doesn't believe in women's suffrage because it wasn't in the original constitution. Makes no sense dude.

[Kolar]

Sorry Reaver, getting late and I didn't feel like spending time finding the articles again.

While Paul is much better then Huckabee his views that the Constitution does not guarantee the right to privacy nor the Separation of Church and State and a lot of other things that fundamentally makes him a bad leader.

If you want a simple overview or wouldn't care to do real research on each candidate Wikipedia has articles titled "Political_positions_of_[]".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...ns_of_Ron_Paul

[Reaver]

With the exception of his abortion view, I too like Ron Paul. My first choice is Barack Obama but if Ron Paul were running as independent or Libertarian, he might have had my vote.

Well, I don't agree with everything Ron Paul stands for. But the bottom line is this, George Bush's platform was based on non-intervention...he adamantly stated that we shouldn't be involved with nation building. What did he do once he was elected? He completely flip flopped. I'd sooner go with a candidate that I trust to do as they say (despite only agreeing with them 80%) than go with a candidate that I'm 100% (I don't actually agree with any of the candidates 100%) with, but will flip flop once in power.

Edit: Trust is a tricky issue, but I encourage you to find all the corrupt scandals Ron Paul has ever been involved in, you won't find any--I've looked. I've found tons of dirt on just about every other candidate, Kucinich is trustworthy as well.

[Fit of Rage]

With the exception of his abortion view, I too like Ron Paul. My first choice is Barack Obama but if Ron Paul were running as independent or Libertarian, he might have had my vote.

[MetalHeadz]

We get it, you don't like religion. Find a different tune because you're turning into the next T0ne all too quickly.

Man, and there was I thinking I'd disguised my anti-religious beliefs in my political arguments. :P

[MetalHeadz]

ps. I'm a huge fan of Ron Paul. I guess I just admire pure-form free marketeers.

[Reaver]

The America constitution is one of the finest in the world, but I can't help thinking that it's kinda gone to pot now...

You have an electorate which is largely apathetic and which apparently views religiousity as the most important facet of a political candidate.

(Correct me on this one)You have a federal system where smaller states votes are akin to larger states meaning you have disproportionate representation. The implications of this are that the smaller Southern states have equal power to the larger, more densely populated, Northern states.

You only seem to have two viable parties. I mean, is there really that much difference in practice between the republicans and democrats? Don't get me wrong, political homogenisation is a problem in any democratic country but it just seems that the American system is slightly worse.

You have conspiracies arising from the appointment of political candidates accused of vote fraud. Is there any truth in this?

You have a congress where 4 out of the 9 Senators are fundamental Christians who actively base policy shifts on biblical dogma. (Anti stem cell research / Anti homosexual rights). Remembering that the USA was based on ammendments which explicitly defined the separation of Church and State.

This isn't an attack, just some observations. I actually regard the American political system highly.

We get it, you don't like religion. Find a different tune because you're turning into the next T0ne all too quickly.

[MetalHeadz]

The America constitution is one of the finest in the world, but I can't help thinking that it's kinda gone to pot now...

You have an electorate which is largely apathetic and which apparently views religiousity as the most important facet of a political candidate.

(Correct me on this one)You have a federal system where smaller states votes are akin to larger states meaning you have disproportionate representation. The implications of this are that the smaller Southern states have equal power to the larger, more densely populated, Northern states.

You only seem to have two viable parties. I mean, is there really that much difference in practice between the republicans and democrats? Don't get me wrong, political homogenisation is a problem in any democratic country but it just seems that the American system is slightly worse.

You have conspiracies arising from the appointment of political candidates accused of vote fraud. Is there any truth in this?

You have a congress where 4 out of the 9 Senators are fundamental Christians who actively base policy shifts on biblical dogma. (Anti stem cell research / Anti homosexual rights). Remembering that the USA was based on ammendments which explicitly defined the separation of Church and State.

This isn't an attack, just some observations. I actually regard the American political system highly.

[Reaver]

You're entitled to your opinion but if you plan on convincing anyone then you ought to provide some backing to it.

Here's some info to read on mike huckabee:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/1...e_n_75362.html

and

http://republicofsc.wordpress.com/20...kabee-corrupt/

Here's some info to read/watch on Rudy Giuliani:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/073...63,6.html/full

Seriously, read that.

and

http://nyletterpress.wordpress.com/2...corrupt-fraud/

[Kolar]

That didn't come off as biased at all.

Maybe because it's my opinion?

As the Governor of Arkansa the piece of shit let out murders and convicted rapist on the streets because they found his weakness and their path to freedom, his religion. Check the Wayne Dumond and Glen Green case for more info.

[HateTheFake]

Mike Huckabee Republican canidate is gaining alot of ground he has my vote!

[Chao.]

All the Republicans are terrible people

That didn't come off as biased at all.

[Kolar]

I don't know if he stands a chance but Huckabee is pretty bad, Rudy still tops it. All the Republicans are terrible people and some of the more decent Democrats like Biden and Richardson have no hope in hell.