American Elections '08

[HeavenSent]

Kolar and Cops:

Heavensent's got a point. What you also don't know is that Mattel is no simple toy company.

"Mattel has been working with the Rothchilds to brainwash humans since the dawn of time" - Dr. Concreteschlyrd

As well, although you don't see the truth but in fact George Bush eats babies:
"I'm a baby eater. An eater of babies" - George W. Bush
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...ca_b_7137.html

This baby eating is in fact closely tied to the entire global warming lie that has been perpetrated by the highest of levels in order to you to stop your god given right of driving a car.

You don't believe me now, but the next time your children play with a Mattel product, walk to the mall instead of drive, you better lock up the babies, because the Rothchilds are coming after you!

DO NOT BE BLIND TO THE TRUTH.

Why are you guys even bothering with Heavensent? He's already proven himself as reliable as Tone.

STFU hypocrite.
Go back to playing with your anime dolls. That's obviously the only reality you can handle.

[Epinephrine]

Kolar and Cops:

Heavensent's got a point. What you also don't know is that Mattel is no simple toy company.

"Mattel has been working with the Rothchilds to brainwash humans since the dawn of time" - Dr. Concreteschlyrd

As well, although you don't see the truth but in fact George Bush eats babies:
"I'm a baby eater. An eater of babies" - George W. Bush
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...ca_b_7137.html

This baby eating is in fact closely tied to the entire global warming lie that has been perpetrated by the highest of levels in order to you to stop your god given right of driving a car.

You don't believe me now, but the next time your children play with a Mattel product, walk to the mall instead of drive, you better lock up the babies, because the Rothchilds are coming after you!

DO NOT BE BLIND TO THE TRUTH.

[HeavenSent]

You're like the guy that asks, "Hey man, tell me about that movie."

"I'll do better than that." replies the other guy, "I'll loan you a copy of the movie to see for yourself"

"But I don't want to watch the movie" says the first guy, "I just want you to tell me about it."

"Well it's just about a guy that gets deceived even after he's warned several times. Then ends up imprisoned for being at the wrong place at the wrong time... gets in a scuffle with one of the prison guards and is executed like an animal for slaughter. Then his body is thrown in a pit full of dead bodies. The end."

"No way! You're full of shit. That's not like anything I've heard of the movie."

"Well here's the video. See for yourself."

"No thanks, I'll just ask someone else who's seen it."

Basically, the problems with the U.N. and how it affects Americans is that it would mean that our Constitutional rights would be null & void. No Bill of Rights, No Habeas Corpus, No 2nd, 4th, 5th, etc. Amendment rights AT ALL. Its goal is a world government, where it would be the only authority among borderless nations. American soldiers, would have to answer to its world court... just for following the orders of their superior officer. American citizens would have to pay taxes to the U.N. And there would be no opportunity for people to speak out against its imposing injustice. Like Ron Paul says about forcing peace through a barrel of a gun, that's exactly how it would be around the world, only much worse. It's Global Totalitarianism & Marxist Socialism at its most horrifying and worst inevitable reality.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/wolves.htm

"a single consolidated government would become the most corrupt government on the earth." Thomas Jefferson

"There is no provision in the Charter itself that contemplates ending war. It is true the Charter provides for force to bring peace, but such use of force is itself war."
"Not only does the Charter Organization not prevent future wars, but it makes practically certain that we shall have future wars, and as to such wars it takes from us the power to declare them, to choose the side on which we shall fight, to determine what forces and military equipment we shall use in the war, and to control and command our sons who do the fighting." Ambassador J. Reuben Clark Jr. 1945

"I challenge the illusion that the UN is an instrument of peace."
"It could not be less of a cruel hoax if it had been organized in Hell for the sole purpose of aiding and abetting the destruction of the United States." Dr. J.B. Matthews

"I feel from the bottom of my heart that the adoption of the (U.N.) Charter ... will mean perpetuating war." Sen. William Langer (R-ND)

Princeton professor Richard A. Falk (CFR) admits: "There is nothing intrinsic about the idea of world government that precludes elitism, mass poverty, ecological decay, or even large-scale violence."

For the UN to become the basis for a fully-functioning world government, the "rule of law" in America (our constitutional system) and in every other nation must be destroyed.

"Rather than improve the standard of living for other nations, world government will mean a forced redistribution of all wealth and a sharp reduction in the standard of living for Americans."
"Strict regimentation will become commonplace, and there will no longer be any freedom of movement, freedom of worship, private property rights, free speech, or the right to publish."
"World government will mean that this once glorious land of opportunity will become another socialistic nightmare where no amount of effort will produce a just reward." John F. McManus - The Insiders - 1979

The Constitution specifies that Congress alone shall have the power to declare war. Yet, from Korea to Vietnam to the Persian Gulf, our nation has been on an increasingly slippery slope as a result of violating this constitutional provision.

"The provision of the Constitution giving the war-making power to Congress was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasons.... Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This, our Convention understood to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions; and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us."Abraham Lincoln

"Not only has the United Nations become a travesty and farce as a unified system of political world government, but its meetings and operations have contributed greatly to international disunity, hostility, and bellicosity. Its meetings provide an unprecedented platform and sounding board for denunciation, vituperation, and bitter accusations." William Henry Chamberlain

http://www.getusout.org/artman/publi...icle_131.shtml

[Cops]

How is the UN destorying America? This isn't a simple answer of dropping movies and walking away, this doesn't tell me anything.

You could attack this from several positions, one being economical reasons (which I'd shoot down), the other being forced into millitary campaigns (which I'd shoot down). Even the arguments you could be using you aren't using, there's a complete disconnect from what you believe, see, and hear to what you can prove. This doesn't make us as humans flawed seeking some sort of proof to back up your convictions, it's called being sensible.

There's an application process where you take what you've learned and what you believe and try to make a case for yourself. You need people you can quote, with maybe a link from where you got it from (try to make these sites credible). When saying something factual make sure it's common knowledge, ie 'parents greatly influence their children'. Common knowledge is not 'The U.N is destroying America', because if this was common knowledge we wouldn't have a U.N. When you try to sway or prove controversial beliefs you need a little more than some youtube websites and the beliefs of a few dead racist congressmen.

[HeavenSent]

I'd like to see if any Americans here can see the problems with your statements as it pertains to our Constitutional rights... assuming we still have any.
Also this thought in contrast to 'reality' by non-Americans:

"Every human being born on earth has unalienable rights and freedoms outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights."

[Kolar]

Posting videos from some Conservative foundation doesn't do that either.

Human rights are not given to anyone, be it a Government or a "creator". Every human being born on earth has unalienable rights and freedoms outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. To acknowledge it is "gifted" by some party, physically or existentially only allows a fanatic to believe these rights only apply in some circumstances. It seems this organizations only have a problem with the UN because it foundation wasn't religious enough.

Confiscating small arms from gun owners is also an irrational fear by many of these groups. The UN would also be the last Governmental agency capable of implementing any kind of ban on small arms.

The only power at the UN rests with the security council. Who's set goal is to provide world stability and peace. Removing the United States from that council would allow terrible regimes to proposer. We would be entering the 21st century of China and Russia dominating international affairs, that's not a world I want to live in.

The UN is ineffective on many things, it's also dominated by different countries that makes it ineffective. The US is not a victim of it, it's probably the country which impedes it doing any good most of the time. Russia and China also use it to their own benefit, by using its veto to benefit themselves economically and politically. The US and other countries using their power to keep environmental issues from impacting its self economically. So it's a two way street, all countries abuse it and take advantage of it. I think these people have a problem with the US actually being held accountable for its actions, or at the very least seceded some international power to another body, one more democratically friendly then its own business and political interests.

Roughly 1 billion in funding also doesn't seem like a lot on comparison to the 2.7 trillion spent by President Bush in the year 2006 on budget items alone. And those checks and balances the Founding Fathers so believed in are easily swept away by the very people who profess the UN is a more corruptible body.

[HeavenSent]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...10709699078746
http://video.google.com/googleplayer...57928216&hl=en
http://www.getusout.org/

Edit:> Not like anyone (set in their stubborn, comfortably ignorant, anti-American ways) will go to those links in earnest, since most (parenthetically defined) like to be spoonfed only to spit it back in the face of the messenger.

[Kolar]

I'm not going to take advice from David Duke on foreign policy, why should anyone do the same with this guy? The point is Heaven that just because someone says something, for example you calling me gay, doesn't make it true. If you want to claim that the UN is subverting the United States or any other country for that matter then you need to explain that in more detail and provide us with some facts. Otherwise it's just you talking out of your ass about a conspiracy theory.

[HeavenSent]

I was hoping this time, would be the time. I still think that he will one day learn that you can't source people without any bit of proof and you should also do five minutes of research to figure out if the guy was a complete douche.

All i did was quote the guy and it is a fact that he did indeed say it. If you check out all the links from the google search of the quote, you'd be well on your way to the answer of your question. However, it's also my opinion that just as you've made up your mind that anything he as to say regarding the U.N. because of his antiquated views on race is irrelevant, so too have you (and those with similar reasoning) have made up your mind that anything I have to say regarding a "conspiracy" against American sovereignty & leadership is just as irrelevant.

Before alcoholics can be cured of their alcoholism they first have to admit that they're alcoholics. Likewise, before anyone can understand how the public's views of politics, religion, education, economics & the mass media is being manipulated by an elite group of conspirators, they first have to understand that such a scheme is possible and a probable reality. Unfortunately, some people are too afraid to face this truth or even consider it for that matter. For it would mean that everything they've trusted & believed in would be shattered and ultimately meaningless.

Some people know that certain organizations in the mainstream media cannot be trusted to truthfully give accurate unbiased reports of the news but the majority of those same people are unwilling to make the effort to see the 'man behind the curtain'. It's much safer to find comfort just going along with the opinions of the status quo and hope none of it hits home.

[Cops]

Sarcasm cops, sarcasm!!

I'm actually spoc now, Socialist Party Of Canada baby! That's right you called me a socialist so now I'm a socialist.

Why are you guys even bothering with Heavensent? He's already proven himself as reliable as Tone.

I was hoping this time, would be the time. I still think that he will one day learn that you can't source people without any bit of proof and you should also do five minutes of research to figure out if the guy was a complete douche.

[Galleleo]

Sarcasm cops, sarcasm!!

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

How many more days till the elections for party rep's?

[Epinephrine]

Why are you guys even bothering with Heavensent? He's already proven himself as reliable as Tone.

[Cops]

yeah, but like how have you said that he actually proved that the UN was working towards America's demise? It's more or less a thought than a fact.

I'll agree that racist people may have just opinions that differ from race, but I more or less look at the character of the person and without little proof that that person proved that the UN was working against America then I tend to say well the guys a racist and without anymore proof on this matter about the UN then he's nothing more than a racist. If he actually explained how the UN works towards America's demise then I'd be glad to read it and de-construct it but there's no way in hell I'm fighting you on ten different points, it takes too long and way too much time looking shit up. It's easier to stick to one thing, 'how was this man proved that the UN works towards America's demise'. You've got to understand where I'm coming from all I see is some racist guy making some slander at the UN without any proof that the dude was actually right about this.

[Kolar]

I'm here to fuck with you. Is that alright?

I don't believe you are but I still don't understand why if you think a person's views and opinions can not be changed through discourse, that you would be on an Internet discussion board.

You're a cocksucking faggot. Now prove me wrong.

I'm sure the Internet kids are going to get a kick out of this.
If you make an accusation or statement the onus is on you to prove it, not on me to disprove it. As someone's sexual orientation is not quantifiable all you have to go by is my word, that I am a heterosexual and not gay.

I wonder if one of those "laws" exists out there like Godwin's for homosexual accusations.