American Elections '08

[Cops]

Thanks Izor. Coming from you, that means a lot.

Even John Bolton thinks the UN is useful.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...684527,00.html

Dude, he couldn't even point Canada out on a map. Expecting him to understand concepts which may be basic to us is really quite hard for him. He fights, will probably die for a cause that's bullshit, come to think of it what is he fighting for? America's security? He's just another statistic to me, good luck fighting for other people's freedom Izor, it's not like you really care about them because they're not American.

[Cops]

What the hell is the United Nations Emergency Force? Whatever it is, it has United Nations in it so its useless.

Looking at your casualty numbers from WW2, it just tells me you're bad at war. If you were like the US you would have just used a nuke to save time and lives.

If I see near as many Canadians in Afghanistan I'll be sure to come to these forums and apologize to you, but something tells me the ratio wont be anything close to 10:1

Humanitarian missions dont mean you've asserted yourself in the world.


Sorry, FoR, but did your dad die over in Iraq or something? If so I can see why you're bitter, because you dont think he wanted to go. If not then he did a piss poor job raising his son.


Rednaz, see above for comments on the UN being useless as usual. Americans dont even think of the UN as a real entity anymore. I dont know why you guys do.

Zerz, trying to use big words doesnt get your point across anymore...you still have some hatred toward soldiers that is unjustified. What you believe about us being the reason for fighting and how if there were no soldiers there would be no wars makes sense if this were an ideal world, but it isnt. Since you cant convince our enemy to stop fighting us, it would be a bad survival instinct for us to not have an army. But you dont get that...

It's funny how you play your ignorance off as if it's no-big-deal, you don't know my Prime Minister's name, you don't really know anything about Canada or the world for that matter. You probably think we live in Igloos and we all say Eh, you look at us and see nothing but lesser versions of yourself. I can't begin to say how much this distorted view of Canada bothers me and other people.

You truly are an arrogant dull minded piece of shit, who credits all accomplishments and sense of respect towards his own country. You take nationalism to a whole new level, a stupid new level that is. Canada has done some great things for itself and the international community at large. But I guess expecting you to understand this is like expecting you to pick up a text book, which will never happen. I'd really press for you a person who is part of the military to understand what the (UNEF) is and re-evaluate how much you really know about anything. You might want to read a few books before you start a political fight with Zerz, Fit, or myself. It also doesn't help your case that you said you wouldn't engage in a political discussion but you got suckered in, because well you're a sucker.

[Vatican Assassin]

We didnt do anything to provoke 911...

Perhaps you dont understand human nature?

the terrorists were just bored mkay (1 liner zing)

[Izor]

I've been over how the use of the nuke saved lives in this forum before. You're very shortsighted to be unable to see past the lives lost in the bombing, and the lives that would have been lost in a prolonged war. We're over that. I already made my point long ago

Have fun in Iraq, Izor. Glad you're there dying for a cause you believe in.

This was every bit as classy

Dont try to get in a logic argument with me, boy. You're better at the occasional one-liner I already told you that

[Vatican Assassin]

If you were like the US you would have just used a nuke to save time and lives.

Sorry, FoR, but did your dad die over in Iraq or something? If so I can see why you're bitter, because you dont think he wanted to go. If not then he did a piss poor job raising his son.

man we saved so many lives with those nuke bombs.

what you said to fit of rage is just one of the classiest things i've ever seen

[Izor]

Like I know who 'John Bolton' is or care

[Epinephrine]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOL Epinephrine you lost all credibility when you said that if we pulled out of the UN, we would lose our voice in any world forum that matters.

Thanks Izor. Coming from you, that means a lot.

Even John Bolton thinks the UN is useful.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...684527,00.html

[Izor]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOL Epinephrine you lost all credibility when you said that if we pulled out of the UN, we would lose our voice in any world forum that matters.

[Izor]

How the FUCK is the Netherlands one of our closest allies? They dont register on my radar of even somewhat useful countries, and that list even includes canada and the uk.

We didnt do anything to provoke 911 (please dont start this argument in response to this statement either, as you know it was a low blow). You cant call it an invasion, but it is an act of war that needs to be dealt with to ensure the safety of our people. I dont see a way to stop future attacks other than to seek and destroy. By your logic, creating loss will just prolong the cycle as habeeb's 40 sons will grow up hating america since we killed their father, but it doesnt matter because if they get too rowdy and want to do anything about it we will just put them down like a stray mutt. Eventually, habeebs grandsons or great grandsons will realize that maybe they should cooperate with us. Evolution is a great thing

You say that no one would invade a peaceful United States, but not too long ago Germany was invading many peaceful European countries. Perhaps you dont understand human nature? Or maybe you'll just rely on us to bail you out again when someone invades you. Thats what separates our countries. Our citizens dont claim internet addiction to get out of military service. We're willing to do whats necessary to make our world a better place, and we really dont care what the rest of the world thinks about it, because in the end all they're doing is whining at us to stop.

[Epinephrine]

Trying to reason with someone who's far more interested in taking sideswipes and walking off usually doesn't work. I'll add this, though:

Paul has said it before: We were designed to be a republic, not an empire. We don't need troops stationed across Europe, not to mention troops who are STILL placed in South Korea and other places. It's a problem many superpowers/empires have dealt with in the past. They continued to spread their armies and customs around the world, and what happened to these great powers? That's what I thought... They collapse. They dissolve. They come to the realization that such a presence across the entire world simply isn't possible for any extended amount of time.

Apparently Epi was trying to say we would no longer be such a world player or project as much military force around the world if someone like Paul was elected. Projection of military force is a part of being such a superpower after all. I guess staying strong internationally at the expense of our people is ok, because if not we're ignorant isolationists right?

It would probably be GREAT for China and Russia if the US military just pulled out altogether. If the US pulled out of all the world organizations (i.e. WTO, UN, etc) that it FOUNDED it would also mean that the US would stop mattering in world security, world trade, world anything. Without having a real voice in the world in any forum that mattered, the US wouldn't matter anymore because decisions made around the world would be made without any credible input from the US.

Sure the US would still be an economic power, but so is Japan, and does anyone out there seriously care what Japan thinks? And why is that? Well Japan doesn't have a leading role in any world organization, nor does it have the will or muscle for that, and a Ron Paul America would guarantee that as well.

And yes, unless Congress goes the way of Ron Paul as well, it would basically mean 4 years of government standstill as Ron Paul goes for policies that no critical majority would ever vote for. Repeal the Fed? Remove the FDA? God what other moronic ideas will this guy do that no one else would ever support?

So it would be funny if he won. I'm not American, so if you guys aren't #1 anymore, I wouldn't care THAT much.

[Kolar]

Party first, spin second arrogance third. And when in doubt or under pressure denounce them and their opinion as liberal or Anti-Western.

[Zerzera]

Zerz, trying to use big words doesnt get your point across anymore...you still have some hatred toward soldiers that is unjustified. What you believe about us being the reason for fighting and how if there were no soldiers there would be no wars makes sense if this were an ideal world, but it isnt. Since you cant convince our enemy to stop fighting us, it would be a bad survival instinct for us to not have an army. But you dont get that...

Yes, it never came to your mind that with some of the modern weapons, your army is rendered useless. The United States of America don't need an army anymore. They can strike back like no other country -or like any other country- when a line is crossed. No country will ever attack a peaceful United States, even if they could manage an invasion logistically. So your survival instinct, which is not only primal an barbaric, is also misplaced.

What's left is warmongering, just for the sake of it. Because you have an army to harbor the weak minded, to pay for this you send them away on plundering missions. How is that going to make your country safer? It isn't going to make your country safer. You just increase the amount of radicals because you expose more people to war and the loss that comes from it.
Allied countries are less likely to breed radicals than enemy states, especially when you treat them with respect.

I know the world is far from perfect, and with people like you it's even further from perfect. But I don't mind that much, I think you have a right to live and entitled to your opinion. There are a lot people that are a lot worse than you. I just wish you would leave other people alone a bit more.
There's no reason to make the world a worser place, just because it isn't perfect.

Canada and the Netherlands are countries that must be counted under your closest allies, and just see how you get along with us and how you disrespect us for being interested in your politics.
I remember I watched the outcome of the elections in 1992, between Bush H W and Clinton. The interest didn't come with Bush W here.

[Izor]

• South Korea stands today because of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry

• Newfoundland lost almost every single man it sent to World War II, we lost something like 9 out of 10.

• The HMCS Toronto was one of the first NATO ships to respond to the Volcano in Yemen.

• Afghanistan is occupied by Canadian troops who have lost their lkives just like their American brothers.

• Canada is currently involved in Afghanistan, it's believed we will take control of NATO operations in 2008

• Lester B. Pearson created the United Nations Emergency Force of (UNEF)

For someone who claims to be apart of the millitary you sure don't know a about it.

What the hell is the United Nations Emergency Force? Whatever it is, it has United Nations in it so its useless.

Looking at your casualty numbers from WW2, it just tells me you're bad at war. If you were like the US you would have just used a nuke to save time and lives.

If I see near as many Canadians in Afghanistan I'll be sure to come to these forums and apologize to you, but something tells me the ratio wont be anything close to 10:1

Humanitarian missions dont mean you've asserted yourself in the world.


Sorry, FoR, but did your dad die over in Iraq or something? If so I can see why you're bitter, because you dont think he wanted to go. If not then he did a piss poor job raising his son.


Rednaz, see above for comments on the UN being useless as usual. Americans dont even think of the UN as a real entity anymore. I dont know why you guys do.

Zerz, trying to use big words doesnt get your point across anymore...you still have some hatred toward soldiers that is unjustified. What you believe about us being the reason for fighting and how if there were no soldiers there would be no wars makes sense if this were an ideal world, but it isnt. Since you cant convince our enemy to stop fighting us, it would be a bad survival instinct for us to not have an army. But you dont get that...

[Cops]

And this is why Canada has never been a world superpower

Canada has never seized any opportunity to assert itself more in the world...that would require pissing someone off and apparently no one here would ever do that...

• South Korea stands today because of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry

• Newfoundland lost almost every single man it sent to World War II, we lost something like 9 out of 10.

• The HMCS Toronto was one of the first NATO ships to respond to the Volcano in Yemen.

• Afghanistan is occupied by Canadian troops who have lost their lkives just like their American brothers.

• Canada is currently involved in Afghanistan, it's believed we will take control of NATO operations in 2008

• Lester B. Pearson created the United Nations Emergency Force of (UNEF)

• We were a huge turning point in World War I, Vimy Ridge seemed un-takeable so the British left it up to us to try and take it. Canada was able to create elaborate tunnels and practiced on models in preperation. Four Victoria Crosses were awarded in the battle. 3000 Canadians were KIA, and another 7000 were wounded. 20,000 Germans were wounded and 4000 were captured.

For someone who claims to be apart of the millitary you sure don't know a about it.

[Vatican Assassin]

BTW VA, i notice that all you like to do is try to pick on peoples posts on here...must be easy when you dont have any point of view of your own

when you're done discussing who's country is the bestest we might start talking abot somehing that i do have a point of view on.