Workout Plan maybe??!?

[Galleleo]

Actually, the fact that you are an athlete as you say and you get paid to be in shape, yet do not know about what is best when it comes to training and nutrition, does not speak in your favour.

(I am basing training on you saying you just train every day, but that is not the most optimal way to train and peak when you have to peak).

[Zerzera]

Actually, the fact that you are an athlete as you say and you get paid to be in shape, yet do not know about what is best when it comes to training and nutrition, does not speak in your favour.

(I am basing training on you saying you just train every day, but that is not the most optimal way to train and peak when you have to peak).

lol, most optimal. This discussion really sounds like a bunch of 8 year olds bragging about how cool their dads are.

[SEAL]

edit: im done

[FarScape]

Maybe I'm being too harsh for some people...instead of calling you a moron, would it help if I just called you ignorant? Because some of the advice you and other people have given, is bad advice. Simple. If you are wondering why, refer back to the two pages of sources and info I put up.

let me be nice and clear, since it's hard for you to understand:

-anyone who gives advice like " work out every single day" is ignorant

-anyone who gives advice like " don't really have a diet, just eat what you want and usually in large amounts." is ignorant

-anyone who gives advice like "Lift like a madman and eat anything you can get your hands on" is ignorant

It's cool though, being ignorant isn't a permanent thing. You can learn what is good for your body, and what isn't good for your body. Then you can spread an informed opinion instead of saying things like " work out everyday, eat a big meal before you go to sleep". If you aren't sure about something, look it up, that's what the internet is here for. Just because you haven't fallen over dead, doesn't mean you have a healthy lifestyle. Let me repeat that, to help sink it in. Just because you haven't fallen over dead, doesn't mean you have a healthy lifestyle. If you're giving nutritional advice, or advice on how to improve one's body- please at least read up on the subject first. You don't have to be an expert, just don't be a dumbass moron.

It's a 2d spaceship game forum though, so you can't really expect solid advice from this place. I firmly believe in researching material if you're interested in becoming more knowledgeable about any subject, and this isn't one of the places to look for workout knowledge.

I wrote long ugly post that slam this post of yours but i regret, why getting into pointless fights?. Ill just say shortly that you are the ignorant here and you should stop putting yourself into shame. You seriously have no idea what you are talking about, and its reflected by your tries to use ad hominem and backing yourself with articles from the internet.

If you want ill prove why each of your "slamming of others advises" are completely lack of knowledge by you.

[DetroitCity]

seems like everyone against me has the same common trait of being in the "tw beautiful ppl" club or w/e that is.

Panad girl! - he can have all the "e-cred" he wants Detroit > LB in real life fitness .

Galleleo - How is training everyday not benificial or "the most optimal" way for me to train? You don't even know what I train for? How would you know not going to my gym everyday is good for me? You don't know how tall I am, how much I weigh, what I am training for, and what my goals are. Without this knowledge how can you even begin to tell me whats best for me an d say I'm actually doing wrong and in LB's case call me a idiot for it? You guys are the ones not makeing any sence.

Zerzera - agreed this is getting rather childish

Farscape - thank you, someone actually makes sence and knows what they are talking about here. totally agree with you they truly jumped the gun calling me a idiot and a moron for not even asking a single question as to who I am and what I am trying to do with my body and fitness. Silly them.

[genocidal]

What this thread really needs is some sence.

[Liquid Blue]

I wrote long ugly post that slam this post of yours but i regret, why getting into pointless fights?. Ill just say shortly that you are the ignorant here and you should stop putting yourself into shame. You seriously have no idea what you are talking about, and its reflected by your tries to use ad hominem and backing yourself with articles from the internet.

If you want ill prove why each of your "slamming of others advises" are completely lack of knowledge by you.

I'm glad you don't feel like getting into a pointless discussion over this as well. To keep things short, Detroit and others, gave bad advice; specifically the 3v6 meals a day issue. I posted why 6 is better than 3, then gave a butt-ton of resources since somehow the notion that I'm an expert in nutrition got thrown around. Since I'm not, I was hoping the multiple sources would help him and others realize why eating 6 meals a day is healthier than eating 3 large meals.

That's great if you think I'm ignorant about nutrition, working out and everything else, you do your thing and I'll do mine.

[FarScape]

I'm glad you don't feel like getting into a pointless discussion over this as well. To keep things short, Detroit and others, gave bad advice; specifically the 3v6 meals a day issue. I posted why 6 is better than 3, then gave a butt-ton of resources since somehow the notion that I'm an expert in nutrition got thrown around. Since I'm not, I was hoping the multiple sources would help him and others realize why eating 6 meals a day is healthier than eating 3 large meals.

That's great if you think I'm ignorant about nutrition, working out and everything else, you do your thing and I'll do mine.

Well I already posted why its preferable to eat 6 meals before you posted all those links and quotes (which said what I said).

Still, You are assuming things that are not fit for an individual, and by that, you can not call someone dumb.
People who are training might need to eat 6 BIG meals, depending on their activities.
Some people might even eat junk food to complete their fat and carbohydrate in their diet. You also don't need to see nutritionist to see a good results or be in good fitness. All the information is on the internet and on forums for such a basic things. Of course that if you want to take it one step forward and do it as effective as possible it will be the best to see a professional.

You said that eating a big meal before going to sleep is bad. thats wrong for people who train for hypertrophy. Since you are going to sleep for 7 hours, your muscles will benefit from having food in your body. So it might be true for someone, but for other its just completely wrong to say.
You said that people shouldn't train day after day. Thats VERY VERY wrong thing to say since there are training programs who are specific allow you to do that (even the classic AB lifting weight program is a day after day routing).

When you say "-anyone who gives advice like " work out every single day" is ignorant" thats just ignorant saying. Can you tell me whats the problem of doing Aerobic training in Sunday Tuesday and Thursday and Anaerobic in Monday Wednesday and Friday?
What's the problem of working on different kind of muscles day after day (HINT - ABCDE program. might not be very effective for most but there are such programs that work for some).

Eating 3 meals a day wont do damage to your body as long as you eat from all the major food groups and lets say eat a fruit between (and Detroit already said he eat between them). You can eat 8 times a day and still not eating enough from the major food groups. Ok so you wont be hungry but still, your diet will be bad.

You cant tell anyone what to do, since people have different goals and different needs. X will have to eat more than Y because he lift weights and Z will have to exercise more than X because he is much advance and need better training. So calling individual an idiot, dumb, ignorant because he do what fits him, thats wrong.

Peace.

[Soul Survivor]

Detriot you don't fight nerds with muscle, you use your brain and let shit they say slide by. Acting hard on the internet gets you know where. 90 percent of what you said is true the other 10 percent LB can't understand.

[DetroitCity]

Detriot most you don't fight nerds with muscle, you use your brain and let shit they say slide by. Acting hard on the internet gets you know where. 90 percent of what you said is true the other 10 percent LB can't understand.

I'm not acting hard I just don't like getting called an idiot for doing something I know is right and have been doing right for years.

and again Farscape good post even better worded then the first, it all makes sence. Finally.

[Liquid Blue]

Well I already posted why its preferable to eat 6 meals before you posted all those links and quotes (which said what I said).

It doesn't matter when you posted it, at least one person requested from me why I thought it was better to eat 6 meals a day, since I was the "nutrition expert".

Different people do have different needs, and that's why I was hoping they would pick a goal (first thing I asked in this topic), and then research and find out what they would need to do to reach that goal. If they want to gain mass, they're going to have a different routine than if they want to slim down and tone up- but until you have an idea of where you want to go, you won't be able to get there.

Working out everyday is going to put a needless strain on your muscles and actually prevent you from getting better gains compared to if you took two days off a week. When you work out, you "break down" your muscles, and the only way they will rebuild is through rest. You're only hindering your results when you constantly work a group of muscles.You need to rest in order to grow.

Before I go into why it's bad to switch between Anaerobic and Aerobic exercises everyday, I'll explain what those terms actually mean, since I know at least one person out there has no idea what those terms are.

Aerobic = with oxygen
Anaerobic = without oxygen

Aerobic exercise, is an exercise that requires large amounts of oxygen to generate energy. Examples include swimming, cycling, running, walking on a treadmill, etc.

Anaerobic exercise, is an exercise that doesn't require large amounts of oxygen to generate energy. Rather, stored carbs are used as the main energy source. Carbs are used because Anaerobic exercises use up oxygen much faster than the body can reproduce it. Gotta get that energy from somewhere, right? Bam, that's why your muscles switch to burning stored carbs for fuel.

The problem with doing exercises everyday (regardless if they are anaerobic or aerobic), is that certain muscle groups are used in a variety of exercises. Therefore if you switch on and off every day, you could still be taxing the same muscles which will never get the proper rest they need. Aka you are only hindering your results.


Let's use your schedule as an example-

Sunday- Swimming
Monday- Chest and Back
Tuesday- Cycling
Weds.- Legs
Thursday- Running
Friday- Arms and Stomach
Sat.-Chest and Back

Swimming works a fuck ton of your muscles, but especially your arms, legs and back. You give your body a good workout on Sunday in the pool, and decide to work on Chest and Back on Monday. Your back and arms still haven't recovered from Sunday's workout, so you won't be in tip top shape on Monday. Tuesday you work the exercise bike- your legs might be doing ok by then but oh wait! You're going to work legs on Weds with weights! Your results won't be as good because you haven't had a chance to rest your legs. Thursday- more running, man your legs must hate you by now. That's cool though, Friday you'll take it easy with some Arms and Stomach work. Saturday you're going to be kind of sore but still go for Chest and Back anyway- watch those squats, your ab muscles are still sore from yesterday! And Sunday rolls around and we go through the whole cycle again. You could bump up the Leg gym work to Monday but Tuesday cycling will be murder for you, you could replace Tuesday with arms and stomach work but after running on Thursday you're not going to be so good at cycling on friday- do you see the pattern?


But I digress- what I want to touch up on again is "bad advice". Saying to someone who has no idea what type of exercises they need to be doing, much less really what kind of goal they have in mind- "work out everyday, eat 3 large meals a day" - is bad advice. Half the people here probably didn't even know what Anaerobic or Aerobic exercises were before this topic, and that is where the problem lies. You can't just throw out some advice like " work out everyday", because they don't know what they should be doing while at the gym, and what they shouldn't. If you want to help people, help them all the way and don't just throw out half-assed advice. People won't know it's bad to do back exercises everyday unless you tell them, they won't know that it's bad to go with heavy weights and a small amount of reps if they're trying to tone up, unless you tell them. You can't expect them to know what you're talking about, especially when it comes to topics like weightlifting. There are so many different routines and paths to take that it can be overwhelming to people and it can get confusing. Clarity and detailed advice is what they need.

[FarScape]

Oh man...
You gave bad example of program and built on it. Usually people do Full Body Workout (FBW or A training program) when they doing in 3 times a week.

If you do mix up with Aerobic like that 6 days a week (lets stick with swimming and not 3 different kind of activities), you wont work intense in lifting weight (or in the aerobic).
There is a lot of ways to train besides what muscles you train. Its the weight you lift, the time you take between sets, the repeats you are lifting, the amount of energy you invest in your aerobic training.
I know you know that so no need to explain it to you. Beside, I never said its the optimal way to work out, but it is possible. Do you think its a problem to do a 30 minutes calm swimming a day after 15RM lifting weights? Its probably very easy and someone in shape can easily do it. You don't have to push yourself to the limit day after day (in fact, if you do so even 3 days a week, you will get injured).

Muscles grow when you rest. today there are programs that built so that you will actively rest while training. If you know 5x5 programs you probably know what i'm talking about. taking one week that you work with light weight to your 10-15RM. You still train, but because you do it lightly, the muscles have time to recover from the very heavy weight (its actually important to do those rests).

The only other option is to do Anaerobic training and right after 20+ minutes of aerobic training. You have the advantage of a day rest between training day, but the time you train is doubled! (and doing a run after weight lifting is also a potential damage to your body since your sugar level drops and you are much tired than a fresh morning after you eat and sleep well).


Anyway no need to dig on it, there are many ways to train and many opinions about it. In the army by the way, you have sucky nutrition, you train almost every day and you have a few hours of sleep. Not the best conditions anyway :-p

[DetroitCity]

no apology, just more yapping. but I suppose it's good he isn't really focused on me and insulting me anymore. Glad thats done with.

[Liquid Blue]

Far-

I didn't plan out your example to a T, I simply went with the days and types of exercises you suggested doing. I don't do FBW's, I break it up into lower/upper and arms/stomach. The types of exercises I do, depend on if I'm in a bulking or toning phase- even then I usually do 3 times a week, although it's been down to 2 since I started Kung Fu. People that aren't in shape or are new to working out shouldn't really start out by exercising everyday even if they do eventually go for 4/5 day training schedules, because it's a pretty rough introduction to the world of fitness.

I know you never said everyday isn't the optimal way to train, and you'll notice I've never said you specifically have given out bad advice, I was merely clarifying what advice I thought was poorly phrased and given. Over my years going to the gym I've seen people with poor guidance start off on the wrong foot, not stretch and end up hurting themselves, or even getting the proper form down incorrectly when weightlifting- so to me, clarity is key.

Yea I've done Squat 5x5's, have you heard of 21'ing? That shit is great for specific exercises, and helps to get past a plateau with a certain weight.

[Soul Survivor]

I'm not acting hard I just don't like getting called an idiot for doing something I know is right and have been doing right for years.

and again Farscape good post even better worded then the first, it all makes sence. Finally.

It's the internet everyone is an expert and has an e-pinion(refering to LB and the other tards). I understood were you were coming from with your post. Body Chemistry's work different. 6 small meals a day works for some people, then it dosen't work for some it just depends on genetics. People go to Web MD and think they are a fucking doctor with a qualified opinion.