One out of hundred

[Izor]

lol is it so hard to believe that I would take a stand pro death penalty? Are you saying LB, that anyone who would take such a stance is clearly saying it just to piss off others? Maybe I'm just not as progressive and ahead of the curve as you, but then again for someone so humanitarian as you fucking fags all are isnt it ironic that I'm the one directly making a positive impact on peoples lives on a daily basis? And I mean the locals out here..the ones that see america as their only hope against the governments and terrorist organizations who oppress them.

By the way no one here is a scientist or a doctor, so I dont know why youre having a discussion about something like this when theres still a lot of grey area

[Vykromond]

1 out of 100 posts on TW forums is (plz help fill in this blank in this thread plz)

[Singularity]

By the way no one here is a scientist or a doctor, so I dont know why youre having a discussion about something like this when theres still a lot of grey area

Oh really, I happen to know 2 people who work in chemical research at the moment from this game, and enough people who have at least a bachelors degree in an exact science and are doing research at the moment (me for example). Pretty sure we also have people with a medical background.
If you are referring to the usual forum trolls, you may be right though.

1 out of 100 posts on TW forums is Not an obvious trollpost/ homoerotic post/ spam

[castromarx]

1 out of 100 posts on TW forums is (plz help fill in this blank in this thread plz)

Exactly.

I am a scientist too.

[Jerome Scuggs]

thanks for reminding me that i live in a country where anything i want to do is illegal.

[Singularity]

You can always get in that pickup of yours and shoot desert animals with military grade weaponry and still be legal right?

[FarScape]

Well Noah:

There is nothing
about this that can lead to to any physical damage to the brain, it's
physically impossible.

No one speak about physical brain damage. There is a chance to burst schizophrenia and damage your short memory. Its also damage your lungs and air ways like other smoking (I do think smoking cig is the example of humans stupidity, no offense for the smokers here).

I do agree that it is a bad thing that the money ends up in very bad hands. However, if it was legalized the state could produce it better, safer, cleaner and cheaper than the criminals who is behind it today. Drug lords would still exist, but they wouldn't be able to compete, and thus losing a moneymaking branch. Look at Chicago in the 40s when alcohol was banned, it got sold in the wrong hands, and got dirty and criminal. This would further help to isolate those who choose to smoke from a dangerous, criminal underground. The positive effects of this is pretty obvious.

I can agree with what you say overall but I still don't like the comparison with alcohol. You can see Holland for example, I don't think the Dutch people who live there are always happy with the tourists who smoke there (and if I'm not wrong, Its mostly tourists who use the legal cannabis in Holland).

Cannabis has been proven to not be a gateway drug as it was assumed to be earlier. I could find many more reports about this. Alcohol is a good example of this. Most guys who smokes, also started to drink first. If we follow the same logic, then smoking would be the next step from alcohol. None of these drugs is a gateway drug in itself, as being the source that leads you to new drugs. It's just naturally for those who are born weak to start with the less dangerous stuff. Since alcohol is legal, this is much more accessible than anything else, so it's the natural start.

I have read that there are studies for both opinions and it would be pointless reading them all. Lets just say that its heavily depend on your environment. If you take drug like marijuana lightly, what will stop you from try cocaine, loving it and get addicted to it?

[Zeebu]

farscape, i dont know if youve ever heard of it, but there is a great documentary on the hazardous effects of marajuana called reefer madness.

i highly suggest this to you. it will give you even more insight to your already impressive amount of cannabis knowledge.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

If you take drug like marijuana lightly, what will stop you from try cocaine, loving it and get addicted to it?

Listen to this man--I tried eating beef once, and now I can't stop smoking crack!

[Vykromond]

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/the-life-and-death-of-jesse-james/17427/

sorry guys just wanted to post this somewhere and figured this thread was ok

[castromarx]

Good story. That happened to me once.

[Liquid Blue]

Listen to this man--I tried eating beef once, and now I can't stop smoking crack!

you're just a step away from suckin dick for meth, Conc.


Beef- tasty treat or gateway drug? You decide.

[Epinephrine]

There are major problems with the society in the United States. For 1/100 people to be in prison is HUGE. It costs a lot of money to put people in prison. For every person in prison, there are probably a lot more ex-cons running around who were in prison, and many of which managed to hook up with more criminals while in prison. Armed with the fact that once you're an ex-con it's nearly impossible to find a good job, guess what these people end up doing?

Imagine if the same amount of resources were put into rehabilitation and education, perhaps money could be saved, and society could be made safer overall.

Everytime I go to the US, it baffles me at the amount of crime that happens. From the fact that endless resources are spent on tons of law enforcement (i.e. the cop on every street corner mentality), to how everyone has security devices, removable radios in their cars, and no-go zones in cities, it's pretty amazing that people are willing to put up with this with no real ideas other than 'lock more people up for longer'.

Actually if only because of this, it would be interesting to see what Obama (the former community organizer and community advocate) would do if elected president.


Oh and as a doctor, I have to say that smoking cannabis is extremely bad for your health. Recent studies tell us that one joint is up to 1000 times worse than smoking a cigarette in terms of lung and cancer problems, because pot smokers tend to inhale much more deeply, there are no filters in joints, and the burning of various ways to roll the joint and so on create more carcinogens for your lungs.

That said even if smoking a joint to get high is like getting drunk and smoking 1000 cigarettes at the same time, if that's what people want to do I have no problem with it, as long as people are able to follow the rest of the laws that we have (i.e. no impaired driving).

[Noah]

It is true that it can help spark off a dormant mental disorder. However, in practice there are actually very few who this will affect. This is a negative side, but compared to the other negative sides of other drugs/legal products on the marked today, it isn't that severe. Others are worse, nothing will work well on everyone.

Since cannabis also has many medicinal uses, and can do wonders for patients diagnosed with diseases like source). The only drawbacks are these:
* Impairment of thinking, problem-solving skills and memory
^ Yes, while you are high, and the day after. Just like alcohol.
* Reduced balance and coordination
^ Again, getting drunk and falling over.
* Increased risk of heart attack
^ This can be avoided by digesting it instead. It isn't the THC, it's the excess smoke.
* Heightened risk of chronic cough and respiratory infections
^ This can be avoided by digesting it instead. Obviously.
* Potential for hallucinations and withdrawal symptoms
^ Hallucinations are rare, and often not anything big. Also, like almost like everything else you can get addicted to something.

Have you ever read the bieffects on the other stuff you probably have that is perfectly legal? There's tons of shit there, and it isn't unusual with much worse bieffects.

You can find something negative about almost everything (not ph <3 :wub: :wub: :wub, and it's something that should be regarded in terms of it being justifiable criminalized or not. However, there's alot that has worse and more severe negative effects that are legal, and common today. This is the only logical bechmark for this.

Edit: Just saw your post Epi, it can easily be cooked into meals for those who doesn't want to inhale it. Also, I'd be interested to see a source for that.

[Jerome Scuggs]

If you take drug like marijuana lightly, what will stop you from try cocaine, loving it and get addicted to it?

I tried cocaine once. Wasn't my thing. Never did it again.

Almost all of my friends smoke pot BECAUSE it's not a dangerous drug like cocaine. The other drugs that I do regularly are as safe, if not safer, than marijuana (lsd, mdma, etc).

This also sort of renders the second part of this sentence flawed - "what will stop you?" implies that the current drug laws work. And considering that I've done every drug except what i consider the worst - meth, pcp, crack, etc - the drug laws have done nothing to stop me.

Legalizing marijuana would be a step in identifying the misconceptions about drug use. I think most of the violence and other depravity associated with drug use stems from the fact that it's illegal - look at the 1920's era Prohibition of alcohol, look how rowdy that got people.

People NEED to take marijuana lightly. When you're taught that marijuana and cocaine are equally dangerous drugs, and you try marijuana, you're going to then think that hey, maybe the government is wrong about coke, too! I think it's a mentality that is really pervasive, I'd say it's why I played fast and loose with hard drugs once I started smoking pot.