John McCain vs Barack Obama Mega-Politic-Thread of super fun awesomeness.

[Izor]

Well its not like I didnt know the basics before reading most of it. It's the same shit a democratic candidate goes for every election. McCain's is the same shit a republican candidate wants every election also. I see no reason why I would all of a sudden change my mind.

[Vihta]

[Liquid Blue]

Joe the Plumber doesn't even hold a plumbing license

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...the-spotlight/


EDIT- FANTASTIC link to the third debate-

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/pr...al-debate.html

It has the entire third debate recorded, written copy on the right side and video on the left side. You can go to any part of the 90 minute debate, look at what the candidates were saying on the right, and watch a video of them saying it on the left.

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McCain made a remark last night of how he would like our men and women in the military to come home from deployment and be teachers without having to submit to attending a university or college for a degree or certification to teach.

Did anyone else make note of this and wonder what he was talking about?

Is this what our nation and our children require, more teachers that are not qualified? Isn’t that precisely what we are theoretical to be doing away with? McCain’s statement deserved more explanation, but he seemed to be at a loss for forming complete sentences and thoughts during this rambling of his education plan.

I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain wanted to out-source or sub-contract the veterans that he wants teaching our children with Blackwater. Just think, Blackwater could instruct our elementary aged children the fundamentals of tactical training, firing range and target systems, and security consulting!

[kthx]

I would rather my child learn how to kill a man 30 different ways than how to show tolerance to fags.

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I would rather my child learn how to kill a man 30 different ways than how to show tolerance to fags.

What an educated statement to come from you Kthx.

[Izor]

rofl, zing

[Zeebu]

I would rather my child learn how to kill a man 30 different ways than how to show tolerance to fags.

come on now wark

thats even over the line for you

[Squeezer]

I would rather my child learn how to kill a man 30 different ways than how to show tolerance to fags.

stop speaking on behalf of our country please.

[HateTheFake]

McCain made a remark last night of how he would like our men and women in the military to come home from deployment and be teachers without having to submit to attending a university or college for a degree or certification to teach.

Did anyone else make note of this and wonder what he was talking about?

Is this what our nation and our children require, more teachers that are not qualified? Isn’t that precisely what we are theoretical to be doing away with? McCain’s statement deserved more explanation, but he seemed to be at a loss for forming complete sentences and thoughts during this rambling of his education plan.

I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain wanted to out-source or sub-contract the veterans that he wants teaching our children with Blackwater. Just think, Blackwater could instruct our elementary aged children the fundamentals of tactical training, firing range and target systems, and security consulting!

Id say it depends, theres plenty of educated people in the military. Whos to say they cant be physical education teacher, or health teachers. Depending on their fields of study (in the army) even science or physics could be suitable.

[Vykromond]

Well its not like I didnt know the basics before reading most of it. It's the same shit a democratic candidate goes for every election. McCain's is the same shit a republican candidate wants every election also. I see no reason why I would all of a sudden change my mind.

that... wasnt the point

its cool though you can keep the props

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Id say it depends, theres plenty of educated people in the military. Whos to say they cant be physical education teacher, or health teachers. Depending on their fields of study (in the army) even science or physics could be suitable.

No. Just no.

[Squeezer]

No. Just no.

I disagree partially with this. Having grown up in a military populated town (one of the US largest sub bases and shipyards were located there) I think it's not a good idea to take guys straight from the military and let them teach (especially young children), but I had some teachers who were "less qualified" than the other teachers with degrees from major universities, that used their military experience as a driving force for a community college degree or a degree from less prestigious schools. Some of these teachers (including a 7th grade humanities teacher/navy vet) were my favorites. They were able to meld their experiences in the service, such as seeing and interacting with other cultures, into their studies and make their lessons exciting. My favorite teacher would tell us about his time serving at bases in Somalia and South Africa while our lessons taught African History. As I remember he only had his associates. I also had a former Vietnam green beret for a psychology teacher in HS. I'm not sure if he even had a degree. He'd been at the school for at least 20 years and volunteered around Seattle counseling homeless vets. One of the more popular teachers too.

On the other hand I had a marine for an English teacher when I was in Jr. High as well as a navy boy for a gym teacher and both were sexists/crazy.

[Liquid Blue]

I think he was talking about the "Troops to Teachers" program, has been around since 1994 but hasn't gotten alot of publicity.Looking it up, It's always required some form of certification though- usually a BA in whatever field you're trying to teach in.

http://www.ed.gov/programs/troops/index.html

http://www.ed.gov/programs/troops/eligibility.html

http://www.dantes.doded.mil/dantes_W...hers/index.asp


What is crazy, is him saying they shouldn't even need any form of certification at all, to just throw people with the potential to have PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) in a classroom full of kids, just because they've served in our military.

[Epinephrine]

Uh I think teachers should be taught how to teach. Taking regular people who may know stuff and having them teach results in lots of bad teachers. For those who have actually taught before, you'd know that teaching is harder than it looks.