John McCain vs Barack Obama Mega-Politic-Thread of super fun awesomeness.

[kthx]

But in some places, like Houston, we can afford to use them, all of the liberal cities lost their best jobs to cities with lower taxes, and usually the best jobs have things like a comprehensive health care package. The problem is a lot of cities and states won't allow the good jobs back in, or the good jobs refuse to open up shop or stay in a place because of high taxes or huge restrictions on environmental shit. Manufacturing companies etc etc etc, Toyota just announced they are hiring 1000 employees in Texas just recently to manufacture cars for instance. So there are more and better jobs in my state, and therefore less people unemployed, more people contributing to society and paying taxes, less people on welfare, and more people insured, hence we have one of the top medical fields in the world.

Is it really that difficult to understand?

[DoTheFandango]

World Health Organization's ranks of healthcare.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

But in some places, like Houston, we can afford to use them

Then tell your girlfriend to pay her fucking medical bills, because she's effectively making my premium higher for each day she doesn't.

[kthx]

1 People's Republic of China 1,332,640,000 19.65%
2 India 1,168,210,000 17.23%
3 United States 307,253,000 4.53%
4 Indonesia 229,965,000 3.39%
5 Brazil 191,767,000 2.83%
6 Pakistan 167,285,000 2.47%
7 Bangladesh 162,221,000 2.39%
8 Nigeria 154,729,000 2.28%
9 Russia 141,863,000 2.09%
10 Japan 127,580,000 1.88%
11 Mexico 107,550,697 1.59%
12 Philippines 92,222,660 1.36%
13 Vietnam 85,789,573 1.27%
14 Germany 82,046,000 1.21%
15 Ethiopia 79,221,000 1.17%
16 Egypt 77,093,987 1.14%
17 Iran 74,196,000 1.09%
18 Turkey 71,517,100 1.05%
19 Dem. Rep. of Congo 66,020,000 0.97%
20 France 65,073,482 0.96%
21 Thailand 63,389,730 0.93%
22 United Kingdom 61,634,599 0.91%
23 Italy 60,088,880 0.89%
24 Myanmar (Burma) 50,020,000 0.74%
25 South Africa 48,697,000 0.72%
26 South Korea 48,333,000 0.71%
27 Ukraine 46,143,700 0.68%
28 Spain 45,929,476 0.68%
29 Colombia 45,058,743 0.66%
30 Tanzania 43,739,000 0.65%
31 Sudan 42,272,000 0.62%
32 Argentina 40,134,425 0.59%
33 Kenya 39,802,000 0.59%
34 Poland 38,100,700 0.56%
35 Algeria 34,895,000 0.51%
36 Canada 33,760,000 0.5%
37 Uganda 32,710,000 0.48%
38 Morocco 31,554,815 0.47%
39 Iraq 30,747,000 0.45%
40 Nepal 29,331,000 0.43%
41 Peru 29,132,013 0.43%
42 Venezuela 28,450,251 0.42%
43 Afghanistan 28,150,000 0.42%
44 Uzbekistan 27,488,000 0.41%
45 Malaysia 27,468,000 0.41%
46 Saudi Arabia 25,721,000 0.38%
47 North Korea 24,051,706 0.35%
48 Ghana 23,837,000 0.35%
49 Yemen 23,580,000 0.35%
50 Taiwan 23,069,345 0.34%

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In 2009, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, was ranked as the #2 overall hospital in the United States by U.S. News & World Report. A total of 4,861 hospitals were considered and ranked in 16 specialties from cancer and heart disease to respiratory disorders and urology; 174, or less than 0.4 percent of the total, were ranked in even one of the 16 specialties. Of the 174 hospitals that are ranked in one or more specialties, 21 qualified for the Honor Roll by earning high scores in at least six specialties. Mayo Clinic, Rochester, was ranked in the top 12 in all 16 specialties, in the top seven in 15 specialties, and was the #1 ranked hospital in four specialties. This demonstrates distinctive breadth of excellence.[4]

U.S. News & World Report - Mayo Clinic, Rochester, 2009 Rankings by Medical Specialty
Specialty Rank
Diabetes and Endocrine Disorders 1
Digestive Disorders 1
Neurology and Neurosurgery 1
Orthopedics 1
Heart and Heart Surgery 2
Respiratory Disorders 2
Gynecology 3
Kidney Disorders 3
Urology 3
Cancer 4
Rheumatology 4
Rehabilitation 5
Geriatric Care 6
Ear, Nose, and Throat 7
Psychiatry 7
Ophthalmology 12

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http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...32909920070521

Guess he didn't want to wait six months for a checkup in the UE.

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http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009...althcare-bill/

I guess not even one of the best hospitals in the world wants anything to do with this, I wonder why.

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[DoTheFandango]

Wow kthx, I'm so glad you pointed out that the Mayo Clinic was the second best hospital in the United States. Let's consider this for a second. What good is a great hospital when the healthcare in this country is what we need to change. Stop avoiding that question. Just because people LIKE YOU can skate by by defrauding/delaying paying their medical caretakers, does NOT mean that most people (See: Majority of Doctors want universal healthcare, or THIS POLL which says 85% would like a public option) WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.

[kthx]

Hey look Japan is the only one on the list that has a population even close to a third that we have, also you are going to go by what the "world health organization" says after they just recently raised "Swine Flu" from a phase 4 to a phase 5 PANDEMIC? Yeah it might kill up to 3 TIMES MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER REGULAR FLU DOES EVERY YEAR. Oh noes.

So go get your Swine Flu vaccine that they want everyone to get for this terrifying illness.

“I have focused on the adjuvants made of monophosforyl lipid A (MPL) MF59TM (containing a polysorpate TweenTM 80) or AS03, AS04 also known as squalene in the proposed vaccines, which are immunosterilant or an immunocontraceptive,” Daniel Solis writes.

“The patent of the veterinary FERTILITY IMPAIRING VACCINE can be found on-line. It mentions both, the lipoid adjuvans squalene and the polysorbate TM80.

Here are the qotes from the patent and further some clinical studies about the toxicity of both.

(WO/1999/034825) FERTILITY IMPAIRING VACCINE AND METHOD OF USE
This application claims the benefit of U. S. Provisional Application No. 60/070,375, filed January 2,1998, U. S. Provisional Application No. 60/071,406, filed January 15,1998
“The vaccine of the invention preferably additionally includes an immunological adjuvant to enhance the immunological response of the subject to the glycoprotein antigen. Examples of adjuvants include Freund’s Complete Adjuvant, Freund’s Incomplete Adjuvant, and an adjuvant comprising an immunostimulant such as synthetic trehalose dicorynomycolate (STDCM) and an oil such as squalene oil (see P. Willis et al., J. Equine Vet. Sci., 14,364-370 (1994)). An adjuvant comprising synthetic trehalose dicorynemycolate, squalene oil, and a surfactant such as lecithin is preferred. Lecithin typically includes phosphatidyl choline. In a preferred embodiment the vaccine comprises oil, preferably a biodegradable oil such as squalene oil. Typically, the vaccine is prepared using an adjuvant concentrate which contains lecithin in squalene oil. The aqueous solution glycoprotein is typically a phosphate-buffered saline (PBS) solution, and additionally preferably contains Tween 80.”

There is scientific evidence that the swine flu vaccine, especially the adjuvants, specifically squalene, cause serious injury and death.Adjuvants have not been approved by the FDA for use in the USA .

During the 1976 flu vaccinations:

Five-hundred people were diagnosed with Guillain-Barre syndrome
The vaccine was withdrawn after a period of only ten weeks because of the link with Guillain-Barre syndrome. The vaccine could have increased a person's risk of contracting Guillain-Barre syndrome by a factor of eight times. More people died from the vaccination than from the swine flu. The United States Government was forced to pay millions of dollars to people who were affected

There has already been some concern expressed that the new H1N1 vaccine has not been tested sufficiently. There is concern that the effects of the vaccine, particularly on children, remain unknown – even as the Fall flu season approaches in America. One senior British neurologist stated that he would not get the vaccine because of the risk of Guillain-Barre syndrome. Meanwhile, the focus of the vaccination program in America is to give the vaccine to everyone between the ages of six months and sixty-five years with an underlying health issue, as well as women who are pregnant and health care providers.

Have fun.

[kthx]

Wow kthx, I'm so glad you pointed out that the Mayo Clinic was the second best hospital in the United States. Let's consider this for a second. What good is a great hospital when the healthcare in this country is what we need to change. Stop avoiding that question. Just because people LIKE YOU can skate by by defrauding/delaying paying their medical caretakers, does NOT mean that most people (See: Majority of Doctors want universal healthcare, or THIS POLL which says 85% would like a public option) WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.

Actually, I have health insurance, so I don't defraud any systems, and the VA (or socialized health care for the army) is refusing to pay for my girlfriend because she had the surgery at M.D. Anderson and recovered at St. Lukes. Funny how that works huh. I guess the best cancer treatment center in the world isn't covered by army socialized medicine, instead she should have had it removed by the army doctors who can't even handle a malaria vaccination or a simple reconstructive knee surgery.

[kthx]

http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08...for-obamacare/

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2009/08/r...4-against.html

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Look, an actual polling website that polls both sides of the party shows something completely different. Im sure if you go to www.obamaisawesome.com and run a poll on should we do what Obama wants the answer in going to be yes, don't be fucking stupid DTF.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I don't get it.

People who are smarter, better, or worked hard to get what they have deserve the benefits of their successes. IE better doctors, not waits, first class on an airplane, and all of the other luxuries that makes being successful worth it.

So is your girlfriend:
A ) Not smart
B ) Not good
C ) Lazy
... or
D ) All of the above?

Because otherwise she'd be all paid up and this wouldn't be a problem. At least, it wouldn't be a problem with our super awesome hospitals and medical insurance system.

[kthx]

What don't you get, she signed up to help defend the country, got diagnosed with a brain tumor after serving four years, got an honorably discharge and was supposed to receive surgery from a VA clinic who didn't have the skill or technology to perform the surgery so personally sent her to one of the best neurosurgeons in Houston (ie the world) to get the surgery performed, it was a signed agreement that the hospital bills would be taken care of that the government failed to pay. Are you ignorant or something, I already explained this.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

So she's stupid?

[kthx]

You really aren't very good at trolling, you have to be more believable.

And yes, all women are stupid, that is why she cooks and does my dishes now.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

It's only trolling if I don't really believe it, or am just trying to get a rise out of you.

[kthx]

I am just saying don't quit your day job, whatever that is.

[DoTheFandango]

Look, an actual polling website that polls both sides of the party shows something completely different. Im sure if you go to www.obamaisawesome.com and run a poll on should we do what Obama wants the answer in going to be yes, don't be fucking stupid DTF.

I mean, did you read it? It was a pretty indepth poll. And it was the AARP, the ones the "DEATH PANEL" want to kill.

But, fine, here: USAToday, 56% http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...lth-care_N.htm

Sometimes it doesn't come down to better successes to get healthcare. If you have to drop out of college, to work, to pay for healthcare. Sometimes, the companies just can't afford it to give it to their employers.