John McCain vs Barack Obama Mega-Politic-Thread of super fun awesomeness.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

First of all, looking at the title for this thread, does anyone watch South Park?:

PRESIDENT GIANT DOUCHE OR PRESIDENT TURD SANDWICH?

I've always said that the "South Park Watching, Canadian" part of the debate was sorely missing.

As much as everybody in this thread seems to be either in love with Obama or McCain, we must admit that the best man for the job is Mr. Warren Buffett and he is not going to be on the ballot.

We get to pick people who aren't running? I pick Jesus!

Now, secondly, I am a Canadian citizen. Even though I was born in Chile and grew up there, I came to Canada as a teenager and now love this country after a lot of work to do so. However, as much as I like Canada, I hate how liberal and socialist it is and it really goes to show me what would the USA be like under the influence of a HUGE government swept by leftists.

We'll visit this later.

Thirdly, I am a big fan of our current dominant world empire the United States of America. I truly believe we as people have reached new heights because of America's ideals, the American ingenuity (Bill Gates, Wright Brothers, George Lucas, Ben Franklin anyone?? etc) and how it was founded, with a constitution so brilliantly written it sincerely made me wish I was American after I read it.

No one's saying that America isn't fully capable of great things. In fact, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that said otherwise.

Unline our Canadian friends, America is leader of the free markets, the world's sword when it comes down to fighting blatant evil (not bullshit like Iraq or Saddam Hussein or Iran, but what about WW2 and Hitler? Or Somalia?),

Again, no one's saying that America doesn't have the ability to step it up and do good in the world. But you've said it yourself, our government has had the recent tendency to do some really retarded things (Iraq, the real possibility of Iran, domestic spying, torture, etc). I would like to change that trend.

and the brightest beacon for any Conservative struggling in a world that seems to be steering to the left very dramatically (basically, any non-liberal douchebag, not like any of the Pallies members, obama-loving hippies LOL).

Sorry, what was that? I was too busy blowing the froth off my latte.

Economically, the USA still remains the strongest economy in the planet, growing at a healthy 3% annually. What you hear daily in the news is somewhat factual but also has its own degree of exaggeration. I can honestly say that it saddens me how pesimistic all news media outlets portray the current situation in the United States. Do you want to know the meaning of the word Inflation? Go live in Zimbabwe.

You're right, we're not Zimbabwe. Good deal.

Now, here's my beef against Obama, which isn't much of an argument anyway since I'm typing to an internet-forum-audience and I don't really care about responses, just putting my word out.

Let it out, big guy!

The guy all he ever did right was to get behind the Iraq surge before anybody else. He has used that up-to-date for his advantage, the corporate elites like him because he is an old, smart white man and he makes them money with tax breaks. If you can't see this point then you might as well stop reading right here. He knew that if he kept a voting record without making clear career-defining voting decisions, he would have an outstanding chance of winning a future presidency, and no one could hold him accountable for flip-flopping on anything later without being able to question the accuser's patriotism. This guy is not stupid but he's a typical career politician, yet he has already shown me his biggest flaw, other than his non-existant executive experience - his ego (an egomaniac like me can EASILY recognize this character trait). Everything else about this guy is filler and has been borrowed from the roots of Reagan-era politics and their uniform partisan ideas (fuck the earth, no innovation, bigger government (under the guise of the promise of "small government"), save you from "evildoers", pay for you on this, fuck you in your ass here, etc).

You're righ.... wait a second, you weren't talking about McCain, were you? My fingers must've slipped.

McCain, on the other hand, is gutsy, I like that. As a business owner myself I can relate to him, taking a huge risk that can potentially pay off with dividends not only for him, but for the Republican party as a whole. He picked an unknown woman to be his VP, at this stage being very late to introduce her to the national stage, and this strategy is McCain's way of saying "I'm all in, boys."

Because that's what I want, a gambler. I want motherfucking Kenny Rogers in the Oval Office. Someone make it happen.

Picking a woman? Oh SHIT, SON! Look at how crazy he is! I bet he accepts his party's nomination tonight, coming onstage with six-shooters a-blazin! All Yosemite Sam-like! It's gonna be a hootnanny!

We all know the Maverick, how Gramps has screwed up here and there, and we have called out his flip flops, but I can tell you that he is looking more like a president than Obama. On the Russian & Georgia muscle-flex, he sent a strong message, even better than Bushs!

I could issue a statement about Georgia, and it'd have as much impact. I bet Putin's shaking in his valenki.

He is playing the political game by flip flopping (and so are the Dems) on off-shore drilling because Americans want drilling.

You forgot the "some." There are some of us who think "drill at all costs" is an incredibly risky and stupid thing to do.

2 cents from your favorite 145 IQ, $80,000 a year, 23 y-o, pot smoking , 2008 brand new ride Canadian Conservative. We are not all liberal hippies like Cops.
There is Liberal stoners and Conservative stoners.

There "is" also Canadian Rubys, evidently.

[Pearl Jam]

Some quick thoughts:

My favorite part is when he put George Lucas along with Ben Franklin and the Wright Brothers.

Destroy:

First, I'll ignore the slight towards Conc and I as being Obama-loving liberal hippies. There are two of us in this thread, one likes Obama (and doesn't appear to be a bleeding-heart liberal) and the other one is the definition of flip flopping, fence-sitting moderate. If you looked at my voting history in the past 4 years you'd probably assume I flipped a coin each time: Heads= Republican, Tails=Democrat. We get it, you've never liked us. It's ok, dude- we've never liked you either.

Secondly, I'll ignore the ridiculous, unnecessary chest-beating...and boy was there a shitload of it.

Those things aside, you make some good points! Here's the thing, though: the risk-taking, maverick behavior is EXACTLY what is hurting McCain's compaign due to 8 years of G-Dub. Is it fair? I don't think so, no. But it is what it is.

When it comes to the economy and taxes, I currently think McCain is the better choice...a giant, sweeping Government scares the shit out of me (although that doesn't mean it couldn't work). For pretty much everything else, Obama seems better. It all comes down to what primary issues each individual votes based on.

[Kolar]

No PJ you either are a red or a blue, donkey or elephant, Liberal douche tax gay sex loving hippie or devoid of emotion corporate drone Conservative. Pick your side or get out of your country.

[GuruMeditation]

No PJ you either are a red or a blue, donkey or elephant, Liberal douche tax gay sex loving hippie or devoid of emotion corporate drone Conservative. Pick your side or get out of your country.

I thought the point of a democracy is you can vote for what is right for your state/country given the current climate. Not pick a side and stick with it like a sports team, no matter how much they suck.

[Kolar]

I thought the point of a democracy is you can vote for what is right for your state/country given the current climate. Not pick a side and stick with it like a sports team, no matter how much they suck.

Nope, read the Constitution.

[GuruMeditation]

Nope, read the Constitution.

*looks at the fine print*

The bastards! They even had fine print in the 18th century.



I blame the lawyers.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

You don't have to actually leave the country. You can just vocalize your hate for it, like all of us anti-American media elites.

[GuruMeditation]

You don't have to actually leave the country. You can just vocalize your hate for it, like all of us anti-American media elites.

I can't really, on account of not being American.

Fun taxation law. If I were to become American and move abroad I'd still have to pay 15% of my income to the US Government on account of having American citizenship.

American citizenship, the privilege you pay for.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Even better! You're a FRENCH anti-American! We LOVE to hate those!

[Pearl Jam]

No PJ you either are a red or a blue, donkey or elephant, Liberal douche tax gay sex loving hippie or devoid of emotion corporate drone Conservative. Pick your side or get out of your country.

I understand now. I must make my convictions heard and stick by them no matter how ridiculous. I like where Conc is going with the whole Jesus angle. Also, George Lucas made some pretty entertaining movies in addition to being one of the greatest innovators in our country's short history.

Christ/Lucas '12: Using the force to turn water into wine, and oppression into freedom.

[GuruMeditation]

The rebel alliance was a terrorist group.

[Fit of Rage]

Then the apocalypse will come, God will ascend everyone who voted for McCain in 2008 into Heaven (even if you don't believe in it, it's OK as long as you voted McCain) and will proceed to rain down hellfire onto the rest of the world. I am STOKED.

[Zerzera]

Well after seeing a few episodes of 24 I learned that the job of President of the United States is pretty overrated. Most of it consists of giving a go to the leaders of counter terrorist units over phone.

[404 Not Found]

Well now that this evening marks the Kickoff to the NFL season, I have lost all interest in the political debate taking place.

All I can say and or predict is that Melanoma man tonight will be wearing the same blue suit he wears for everything and will use the word "my friends" at least 10 times in his speech.

Personally, with all the rhetoric, I would much rather and will watch the Redskins vs. Giants game over the the Melanoma Maverick (god the Maverick was a shit car and it is all I can think of when they call him that ....is shit) speech.

[Pearl Jam]

Don't sugar coat it 404, tell us how you really feel about John McCain.