John McCain vs Barack Obama Mega-Politic-Thread of super fun awesomeness.

[Zerzera]

Wark, stop using google to prove your opinion. It's obvious you didn't even read half of the shit you posted. You are just trolling and it's quite clear that you know shit about the things you try to discuss.
You don't even know how to do proper research. Let's just shut up and consume until our planet falls apart, I do not care about my children.

[Epinephrine]

So you basically agree with Al Gore's carbon credit bullshit.. amazing.

Epine I don't know what you really believe in, I don't know if you really think you are correct in this matter...

But this is THE opinion people should have...

."I don't mind trying to doing things more environmentally friendly, unless it is going to destroy the nation that I live in."

Epine.. do you agree with like... the hardcore PETA people.. who think that you eating meat or using an animal to haul a wagon or plow a field, or to race them is a terrible thing..

Well basically you are an environmental nutjob version of a hardcore PETA person. You think that the environment should be placed above that of human life and comfort. Because.. in your lifetime, and in my lifetime.. global warming won't have any impact in our lives. Unless you are that much of a humanitarian that you are thinking of the future generations... who will no doubt come up with new technology that we can't even fathom to solve the problems we are stumped by today.

The environment is DIRECTLY related to the quality of life and comfort. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say otherwise. Furthermore, within my lifetime (I plan to live to at least 90) and certainly much earlier (probably by 2050, 42 years from now), man-made global warming will drastically affect the world. It will most likely accelerate tensions and even cause war between the warmer and cooler parts of the world. More problems over the procurement of water and food supplies, more spread of tropical diseases like malaria and more sinking of coastal regions. It would ruin a lot of the best ski resorts and beach resorts in the world, and make my summers warmer and stickier so that when I'm elderly, I will have a greater chance of dying from the summer heat even in Canada.

So yes, it will directly affect me, the people around me, my children if I have any, and their children as well.

If that makes me a bleeding heart humanitarian, then it makes you a completely conceited and self-centered ass.

And no I don't think putting in a few dollars here and there to help develop more environmentally friendly technologies and lobbying other countries to do so as well will ruin our quality of life. The USA has spent more than $500 billion in Iraq so far without 'ruining the standard of life'. If the same amount of money were spent over the last 8 years in developing green technology, we'd be so much further ahead it wouldn't even be funny. Furthermore, most developed countries already use 1/2 as much carbon per capita as the USA (and sadly as Canada), and it's not like they are living such horrible lives either. I rather think Japan, England and other European countries are pretty awesome places. I simply don't buy into this baseless fear that people in North America have that it would completely ruin the economy or standard of life.

[Fluffz]

Which is why, in the market now, innovations and ideas are being deployed and refined.

if by developed my mean hidden by lobbyists or suppressed by global companies than yes, that is reality.

Global warming cannot be scientifically 'proven' because the earths climate does change over time.

i love how you used those quotation marks.

[Cops]

you eating meat or using an animal to haul a wagon or plow a field, or to race them is a terrible thing..

I do.

PETA is an extremist group that uses any method possible to get their message across, they might be fighting for a good cause but they fucking suck at everything else. They're also full of liberal douches who don't really give a fuck about the cause, they just want people to think they care because they're a vegetarian or vegan. For every person who truly and honestly cares about animal rights there's nine idiots who do it for their own self image, not only that but they usually don't even realize animal products are in a lot of our foods. The real population who refuses to eat animals, as well as animal products is something like 2-3% not 10%, I don't consider people who eat fish, gelatin, or any other meat product to be a vegan or vegetarian. PETA is a breeding ground for egomaniac liberals who have shit for brains.

It's also one thing to knock the meat industry in a Western nation and another to knock it in a country that doesn't mass produce animals in slaughtering houses. I have zero problems with a society that raises animals in areas in which they are vital to the populations survival.

[castromarx]

PETA is an extremist group that uses any method possible to get their message across

I am okay with this.

For every person who truly and honestly cares about animal rights there's nine idiots who do it for their own self image

Yep.

I don't consider people who eat fish, gelatin, or any other meat product to be a vegan or vegetarian.

I quite obviously agree with this. I don't know how anybody couldn't.

It's also one thing to knock the meat industry in a Western nation and another to knock it in a country that doesn't mass produce animals in slaughtering houses. I have zero problems with a society that raises animals in areas in which they are vital to the populations survival.

I am in total agreement with you. My main beef is with factory farming. Get it?

On topic:

Fuck Obama.
Fuck McCain.

And since we have an election forthcoming as well:

Fuck Harper.

[Salubrious]

and was it just me or did parts of mccain's speech sound copy/pasted from obama's but with just a touch of difference @ the end? ie education and energy blurb (@ the end of education he attacked obama and then said he wanted to do essentially the same thing and @ the end of energy he said he wanted to drill...that was rly the only difference)

...and his tax plans, and his plans for US troops, and his plan for decreasing government spending, and decreasing the role of the government, and basically everything else, except possibly healthcare. McCain agreed with Obama in saying the US needs better healthcare, except being a politician, he of course has to confirm that his healthcare plan willl somehow be better. Also McCain only briefly touched on the environment by saying he will make the environment better (no mention of global warming) and Obama, though he does cover pulling the troops out of Iraq, does not mention his plan against terrorism/Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

And even if there were similarities, why would it be a surprise for McCain to talk about the same issues as Obama, but from an opposite angle? What else is there to talk about? In the end, they're both going to cover mostly the same issues, and the only major difference would come from the ordering. And obviously which stand they take.

[Summa]

...and his tax plans, and his plans for US troops, and his plan for decreasing government spending, and decreasing the role of the government, and basically everything else, except possibly healthcare. McCain agreed with Obama in saying the US needs better healthcare, except being a politician, he of course has to confirm that his healthcare plan willl somehow be better. Also McCain only briefly touched on the environment by saying he will make the environment better (no mention of global warming) and Obama, though he does cover pulling the troops out of Iraq, does not mention his plan against terrorism/Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

And even if there were similarities, why would it be a surprise for McCain to talk about the same issues as Obama, but from an opposite angle? What else is there to talk about? In the end, they're both going to cover mostly the same issues, and the only major difference would come from the ordering. And obviously which stand they take.

it wasn't surprising that he talked about the same things, it was that it was copy/pasted from obama's speach; along with his hypocrisy when he trashes obama's plan for education then essentially restates what obama wants to do. obama didn't mention global warming specifically in his speech either if i remember correctly i believe he said save this planet, and also as for not mentioning his plans he said he wanted to go after the terrorists who attacked us in afghanistan/pakistan border. im pretty sure you don't want to broadcast your military plans for the terrorists to watch on internetz. for everyone saying obama is so vague and mccain gets to specifics, i actually thought their speeches dictated quite the opposite. plus mccain put 20 minutes of pow sob story into his. i get it, you served your country and had a great tragedy befall you, that doesn't make you more qualified for the presidency. put away the pity card.

[Salubrious]

it wasn't surprising that he talked about the same things, it was that it was copy/pasted from obama's speach; along with his hypocrisy when he trashes obama's plan for education then essentially restates what obama wants to do. obama didn't mention global warming specifically in his speech either if i remember correctly i believe he said save this planet, and also as for not mentioning his plans he said he wanted to go after the terrorists who attacked us in afghanistan/pakistan border. im pretty sure you don't want to broadcast your military plans for the terrorists to watch on internetz. for everyone saying obama is so vague and mccain gets to specifics, i actually thought their speeches dictated quite the opposite. plus mccain put 20 minutes of pow sob story into his. i get it, you served your country and had a great tragedy befall you, that doesn't make you more qualified for the presidency. put away the pity card.

and Obama put 20 minutes of what he did after graduation to help the community into his speech. Both candidates are politicians to the mark and are just using whatever they have at their disposal to win.

[Summa]

and Obama put 20 minutes of what he did after graduation to help the community into his speech. Both candidates are politicians to the mark and are just using whatever they have at their disposal to win.

really? because i think mccain is so desperate that hes using everything and the kitchen sink to win, but obama is taking the high road just as he did in the primaries, whether that works out or not is still to be seen. i would think that if obama had a 17 y/o daughter who was pregnant, the republicans would not return the favor of saying "our families should be left out of this"

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[EDIT]: MY FRIENDS!

I posted this on the McCain VP choice post:

Here's my prob...and I won't be long winded about it.

McCain really doesn't bother me all that much alone, but adding Palin and then saying it is to get the womens vote is somewhat ridiculous.

Persoanlly I would have had a lot more respect for McCain if he had chosen someone such as Maine Senator (R) Olympia Snow. She is a conservative and has a good track record to boot. No Scandals or impending lawsuits either!!

I just do not like what Sarah Palin says and what she stands for.

I personally do not believe that McCain even picked Palin and that she was a pick by the GOP comittee running McCain's campiagn.

Interesting that the interview with Cindy McCain last week on the Today show, she mentions how she does not agree with almost everything Palin says and stands for.

Palin I think will be more of a thorn as well as media distraction then if he had just picked a more qualified woman such as Snow or even....Texas Senator (R) Kay Bailey Hutchison. This may be the intention of the those running the campaign? distraction distraction distraction

The entire election process has turned into a ratings race for the media. People are now sidetracked by everything but the actual problems the nation faces. I do not care about Obama and his families escapades, nor do I care about Mccain and his houses...I do not care especially about fat ass hockey moms either. Stick to the topic and stop making f'n promises that simply said is just ear candy. No President lives up to 3/4 of the promises they run a campaign on. Anyone remember the coined election campaign phrase (some may have been too young on this forum) of our 41st pres. GHWB...the entire campaign he ran on a single catch phrase "Read My Lips...NO NEW TAXES" He got elected based largely on that promise and in the 1st months of his presidency raised taxes as a way to reduce the national budget deficit.

I think the U.S. at this moment has a bit of a defecit too?

Does anyone honestly believe either of these guys?

This Circus will be travelling to a town near you soon!

[Salubrious]

There are no high roads in politics. A road is only made higher by stepping on a few people in the way.

[kthx]

Obama isn't taking the high road, hes trapped by the same thing that republicans were trapped by. The whole stupid fucking minorities in America idiots who cry whenever someone who isn't the majority is talked badly about. It all started when Obama pulled the black card in his speech. Now there is a woman in office who middle America loves and respects and Obama CAN'T say anything about her because it would make the middle America that hes so in touch with (rofl) and women all pissy about it. The media and the liberalist bloggers tried really hard to do it for him but it isn't working still. Now there are sources in the democratic party that leaked the information that Obama himself ordered his subordinates to start a whisper campaign to promote even the wildest of the ridiculous allegations against Palin. So if you think hes taking the high road you are obviously blind and stupid as well. But on the bright side, pathetic attempts by the media and Obama to discredit someone who America has instantly fallen in love with will just make even more people love her.

[Cops]

Fuck Harper.

He's a douchebag, but Stephane Dion isn't a leader. The liberals really needed to make Michael Ignatieff their leader.

This election won't really matter, Harper won't get a majority. It'll just mean another Conservative minority, but hopefully Wajid Khan gets the fucking boot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wajid_Khan

We voted him in as a liberal and now that he's a conservative we have been completely misrepresented for a few years now.

[Da1andonly]

[span]

Yes, he just robbed a significant portion of his population (and other countries). But he underestimated the cost of war, just like Bush.

Bush's grandfather was probably over charging him for steel. :fear:

Currently a lot of countries currently subsidize their oil, after a while the government will stop doing it, and naturally people will start finding ways to conserve oil. But the backside of your argument for every country that begins to modernize and need more oil, we find more oil deposits. I doubt we even know about 2/3's of the oil on this planet.

I doubt we'd even touch 2/3's of the worlds oil since at some point it takes more energy to get it from the ground than can be utilised.