Usa! Usa! Usa!

[Zeebu]

nutjobby

[Ilya]

so whats this thread about anyway

[Tigron-X]

so whats this thread about anyway

Empty headed patriotism.

[Tigron-X]

Too lazy to go back and quote the specific thread and I'm definitely not ambitious enough to put any sort of real effort into this battle of Wikipedia wits but since when are the people HOLDING the guns the bad guys in our wars? Be it WWI/or II or vietnam or the Current OIF/OEF or any other war, we are there because we are told to be there, not because we want to "point guns at people and dictate the way they should live". The US definitely has their share of shithead politicians who have made bad decisions, but that trait is not unique to our country alone. Despite our history of both good decisions and bad, America still remains the standard for living in which I'd guess 95% of the world would want to live. If everything was perfect here, people would still find something to be unhappy with (Tigron), but despite our imperfections, we are still MORE perfect than anywhere else in the world.

Eat shit faggots.

When they're the ones initiating force.
When someone else is telling you who the enemy is.

You decided to enlist on your own accord.

Even if one was tricked into thinking that he/she is defending one's own nation, that doesn't make his/her actions virtuous.

Right?

If I do something immoral, even though I am entirely convinced that my actions are moral, that doesn't change the truth of the matter.

Good intentions do not make one's actions virtuous.

[Zeebu]

what is your purpose in this thread? are you just spouting what you think and hoping people will latch on?

[Zeebu]

also,

jobnutty :cat:

[Tigron-X]

what is your purpose in this thread? are you just spouting what you think and hoping people will latch on?

What are you getting out of it?

[gran guerrero]

What are you getting out of it?

for me, a NBA CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!

[Crescent Seal]

fuk ursilf

[Jerome Scuggs]

When they're the ones initiating force.
When someone else is telling you who the enemy is.

You decided to enlist on your own accord.

Even if one was tricked into thinking that he/she is defending one's own nation, that doesn't make his/her actions virtuous.

Right?

If I do something immoral, even though I am entirely convinced that my actions are moral, that doesn't change the truth of the matter.

Good intentions do not make one's actions virtuous.

this is predicated on the existence of an outside, objective truth. a definition of what is an is not moral. who are you to make this claim?

[Jason]

when will people learn that trench wars forums is:

absolutely
positively
most definitely
without a doubt

not even close to being the appropriate place for a discussion such as this.

hope everyone had a happy 4th. think maybe we could just leave it at that and not try to debate a topic that is clearly far too subjective to even bother with?

in closing, buttjobby...? (does that even work, zeeb?)

[Jason]

why hello page 5

i bet you didn't expect to exist in a thread filled with such pointless drivel

and yet here you are

[Xog]

jobnutty* :cat:

[Astrogirl]

when will people learn that trench wars forums is:

absolutely
positively
most definitely
without a doubt

not even close to being the appropriate place for a discussion such as this.

hope everyone had a happy 4th. think maybe we could just leave it at that and not try to debate a topic that is clearly far too subjective to even bother with?

in closing, buttjobby...? (does that even work, zeeb?)

It's like an episode of Ali G

[Tigron-X]

this is predicated on the existence of an outside, objective truth. a definition of what is an is not moral. who are you to make this claim?

Well, of course there is objective truth. If I come up to you and say: “There is no such thing as truth,” then I am making a statement that I consider to be true. By claiming that truth does not exist my argument self-destructs.

If you believe there is no such thing as objective truth, then there is no reason to discuss anything with anyone, let alone continue this conversation.

There is universally preferable behavior. In other words, there exists preferable human behaviour that is universal, objective, consistent – and binding.

For example, if you want peace, it is universally preferable that people do not initiate force against each other. In other words, you don't want people to use violence against you, and people do not want you to use violence against them. This isn't merely a personal preference. It is universal and consistent.

When I say "preferable" I don't mean "sort of better." In this sense, “preferable” means “required”

“Universally preferable” then translates to “objectively required,” but the term “preferable” is better suited to differentiate between optional human absolutes and non-optional physical absolutes such as gravity.