Whats up faggots.

[kthx]

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ca_1515764848

Socialist Paradise

[kthx]

Well a lot of our energy comes from coal plants so that job is still important until we allow nuclear power to be more abundant and manufacturing jobs are decent paying jobs where people can make an actual living off of until we get the point where automation makes them completely obsolete. No need to turn down your nose at any jobs that provide people with a good quality of life.

[paradise!]

i dont understand the american obsession with traditional factory jobs and coal mining work. let it go dog. your bosses are making more, and giving out an occasional bonus and are totally placated.

[kthx]

Yeah I know real unemployment is much higher I generally link to statistics from u6 rather than u3 for this very reason. But its easy to bring them back apparently. Require US steel for government contracts and let us drill for oil while manufacturing our own gas from it, allow us to keep producing coal, tax companies for bring products back into America to make it more expensive for them to manufacture out of country because of lower wages. Chrysler is just one of the major companies to announce factories here in the us rather than abroad. And look at all these bonuses and jobs being given out to employees lately. The country is fixing itself and Trump is doing what Jerome wants just not the way he wants it to be done. Like no no we can't fix it like this we have to give them free shit so they stay dependent on the government forever.

[qan]

bring good manufacturing jobs back to the country and stop giving 20% of our population handouts while there is good work available

The reported unemployment rate in the US is around 5%. A more accurate rate includes the underemployed who want more work and short-term discouraged workers (people out of work for a short time who are still looking), and that's about 8%. Completely absent from any government unemployment figures are long-term discouraged workers, who want to work but have been unable to find work for something like 3-6 months or more.

Going to say that again because it's so important. People who are actively looking for jobs but have been unemployed long-term are not counted as unemployed by the US govt. (This was changed under Clinton in 94.) So we have really no idea what the real unemployment numbers are, but they could be as much as 15%, or even higher. One thing we do know: it's definitely not 5%.

Of course, if there were more work available that paid enough, yes, we'd definitely see far fewer people on benefits. Not so easy to just say bring back manufacturing jobs, though. Or to get people to buy products made within the country at higher prices rather than cheap imports.

[kthx]

I pick the option that you don't see. Stop bringing in or letting hundreds of thousands of people cone across our border, stop giving money to countries like pakistan and for shit like the Paris accords, bring good manufacturing jobs back to the country and stop giving 20% of our population handouts while there is good work available. You choose to give up all you want I refuse to take that route in my life or in my beliefs. Its already getting fixed considering two million people got off good stamps since trump was elected. Sit back and enjoy as prosperity becomes the new normal as America stops giving in to all those other countries.

[Jerome Scuggs]

And you think that 20% of our country should be getting government assistance? That is around 60 million people.

ok holy shit so think about this statement, think about it alot because this is one of the things that led me to where i am today

i do not think that 20% of our country should be on assistance. but if you advocate for a market system where there are winners and losers, and the losers just have to "deal with it" or "work harder", but we have a constitution that says we're not really morally into the idea of just letting these people starve to death in front of us, then we're going to need assistance programs.

if we had an economy that wasn't structured at benefiting a few people at the expense of the many, then we wouldn't need such a massive welfare state apparatus.

work with me here, you can't have capitalism AND our constitution AND no assistance for a massive (and growing) segment of the population who are struggling.

pick 2, discard 1.

[kthx]

And you think that 20% of our country should be getting government assistance? That is around 60 million people.

[kthx]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/...n_7470060.html

You think that up to 43% of people being on government assistance once starting it for four years or more is appropriate and that they have done their due diligence to find a better job or improve their lives?

[Jerome Scuggs]

I am completely for making it a pain in the ass to get money from the government every month, its motivation to get a job or a better job. I haven't done anything, you are grasping at straws and have been for a few pages, which is why you changed your point of attack and argument style from confrontational to Mr understands what you mean.

congratulations on having a good life where you've obviously never had to help a friend or a cousin or someone apply for unemployment or food stamps. i have witnessed it, and it's not easy. and what's infuriating is that the two people i've witnessed go through it, were both employed. one of them had two jobs and the other had one job and a kid to raise. both people are no longer on food stamps, but having it when they did got them through critical parts of their lives, and i don't know if they would have been able to go through the process if it required more steps and paperwork or more time away from work to piss in cups.

this sort of situation represents like 80 to 90 percent of people on food stamps - people going through temporary setbacks and use it for anywhere from 3 months to a year, and then no longer need it. i'm not going to potentially fuck 10 struggling people / parents out of assistance because one dude drags his feed and smokes weed. i'm not -that- concerned about the like, $40/month from my paychecks that go into paying for it.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-...assistance.htm

what i dont understand is how the evidence can be right in front of you and you just don't see it. these people aren't wasting your taxpayer money.

[Zeebu]

dix n buttz

[kthx]

but this is the point i want to keep at the forefront of our discussions. by your own post you admit that you're 100% ok with the government spending more money and intruding on peoples' lives, so you've pretty much undone 90% of the arguments you've made against building a better healthcare system

you're ok with more government spending and more intrusive government so long as it targets poor people, who apparently just have it too good.

Yeah I really understand what your saying here, you make some really salient points and you are obviously very learned in this topic, its just that something something my feelings, something something poor criminals you know, something something debt and prison and it just hurts my heart.

[kthx]

I am completely for making it a pain in the ass to get money from the government every month, its motivation to get a job or a better job. I haven't done anything, you are grasping at straws and have been for a few pages, which is why you changed your point of attack and argument style from confrontational to Mr understands what you mean.

[Jerome Scuggs]

so it's good to know you actually don't care about money when it comes to making peoples' lives more difficult, and you in fact support an even more intrusive government

but this is the point i want to keep at the forefront of our discussions. by your own post you admit that you're 100% ok with the government spending more money and intruding on peoples' lives, so you've pretty much undone 90% of the arguments you've made against building a better healthcare system

you're ok with more government spending and more intrusive government so long as it targets poor people, who apparently just have it too good.

[kthx]

No no just read the article it has so much useful information, people thrown into overcrowded jails where they are starved and tortured, for things like having political protests in the socialistic paradise over there. I mean, I know you hate capitalism and our democratic republic and all but at least you can talk shit about it, and if you couldn't you would at least know you would get two two solid corndogs a day without being tortured.