New Pub Settings for Levi and Weasel are too powerful I think

[Jessup]

Hey guys. Was this current pub setting meant to be a short term for fun setting or is this supposed to be the new permanent setting? Both Levi and Weasel in my opinion are way too overpowered. Was this done to try and emulate the legacy settings of old and if so, they are both done incorrectly. I'm just confused why this has happened. It's basically become a Lev and Weasel war now. The levs should NOT spawn in base and the recharge rate is slightly too fast still. The weasel needs to LOSE energy when cloaked and stealthed at the same time AND its bullet speed should be set to almost ZERO forward momentum. Also, if full cloak is in order for weasels they need to be set to regular size ships again. It is not making for a good pub experience right now .

[mystic_pizza]

we asked to revert to previous settings, and that is not quite what we got. we got much, much older settings... here is the difference:

CURRENT LEV:
- spawn in and out of base
- 4 reps, 1 port
- stealth

PREVIOUS LEV:
- always spawns out of base
- 2 reps, 1 port, 1 rocket
- stealth
- optional XRADAR



CURRENT WEASEL
- 1 rep, 1 rocket
- stealth, slows down energy regen
- cloak, massively slows down energy regen
- stealth + cloak = energy INCREASES

PREVIOUS WEASEL:
- 1 rep, 1 rocket
- stealth, slows down energy regen
- cloak, massively slows down energy regen
- stealth + cloak = energy DECREASES


currently levis seem overly powerful because they spawn in mid base regularly, have tons of reps, and can port out when being hunted. with previous settings, they'd spawn far from base and as a result were more likely to take the long way out to reach roof/side tubes to avoid getting killed. I understand the whole "pair with a terr if you want to counter weasels!" and while I agree, have you seen the population of pub this last year? theres barely 10 people playing, pairing with a terr is nice, but theres almost never anyone terring.

levs also had a chance to spawn with xradar, or purchase it, to counter weasels. right now, it is impossible to counter weasels as a Warbird, Spider, Leviathan, Weasel, or Lancaster because

1) you don't get xradar
2) weasels can simply be full-time cloaked AND their energy will still regenerate.

Weasels can simply be invisible 100% of the time and you can't do anything but switch ships, or be killed every 30 seconds.

Balancing suggestions:
- Levis spawn out of base only, except maybe in very low pop (<10 people)
- Levis lose 2 reps (2 instead of 4)
- Levis get a rocket
- Weasels lose energy when stealth + cloak, so they have to act fast if they want enough energy to shoot. they can't just be cloaked 24/7 anymore
- Weasels become much slower OR shoot yellow bullets OR be regular sized

[Duster8]

Mystic nailed it. I've asked a lot of players in game and I'd say over 90% agree. Also, it's definitely killing the zone lately.

[cubone]

It's pretty funny that levs want unchecked power and they want the only ship that can truly counter them to be nerfed.

Mystic nailed it. I've asked a lot of players in game and I'd say over 90% agree. Also, it's definitely killing the zone lately.

But having 50% of players as lev bombing flagroom is not?

[mystic_pizza]

what do you mean unchecked power. my recommendations had two nerfs, making levis lose half their reps AND spawn so far away from base that getting there will be hard.

weasels clearly is not the only ship that can counter a levi, that says more about how u are bad in other ships than anything.

[Duster8]

Lev bombs are too fast and prox is too big. I admit that too.

[Subspacer2001]

Hey guys...

Hi, This is a lot better than before and what i've seen this setting seem to increase activity in pub. But agreed with the weasel, it should lose some nrg when fully invisible. This weasel makes people to play more with terr, which is a good thing.

Lev bombs are too fast and prox is too big.

Nope..everyone has a radar where you can see the bombs and the prox is fine, you just have to play different than before. You guys are too used to the weak settings.

Now just remove attachmode or make it buyblockable and lasting for a shorter time.

[cubone]

what do you mean unchecked power. my recommendations had two nerfs, making levis lose half their reps AND spawn so far away from base that getting there will be hard.

weasels clearly is not the only ship that can counter a levi, that says more about how u are bad in other ships than anything.

Levi saying people are bad in ships is first rate humor. Wah I need a rocket and L4 bombs and take away cloak because my overpowered ship is too hard

[godisdead]

The new settings are fine its just a question of getting used to them.

[habbo hotel]

no these settings suck put it back to normal pub and fix the weasel before u release it; the zone is a toss up every weekend dont know which ship is going to fuck up the gameplay

[Falconeer]

I think the new weasel boosted activity and was fun to play. Though I thought it was a temporary event. I think I prefer it over the old weasel, the main issue will be that the map was designed for the old weasel to traverse tubes and small openings which was an integral part of it's game-play that will probably be missed by those who played the old weasel.

I also agree with other people here that when it had L3 bombs it was way too powerful. Right now it feels like a Jav (bombs), Lanc (amount of bullets) and Weasel (Stealth) and even Shark (repels) combined.

I also agree that the cloaking should probably cost something. As fun as it is to cloak unhindered.

[mystic_pizza]

i dont think staff is interested in fixing anything & they are only pretending to listen. these new weekend events have been such a flop with the smallest pops ive seen in the last 5 yrs, with broken ship settings and maps, truly creative ways to make the game unplayable.

now with the old ass xmas map from like 2005, we have the least playable pub maybe ever:
- ship stats dont reset on new flag games
- disabled warp to flag room on new flag games
- there is no goal (ball unscorable)

i am fully confident staff is incapable of fixing anything. i uninstalled the game earlier today, didnt have fun playing anymore. will check back in some months maybe

[Viruk]

• The heart of TW pub is the flagging game.
• No flagging means fewer laming opportunities which means fewer lamers will play too.
• If the server goes laggy every time you get a 10 v 10 flagging game then many flaggers won't stay and play regardless of settings. Is this still an issue?
• If ship settings encourage lameness and flaggers die a lot to something like a near-perma-cloak-stealthed wzl or a levi with a bomb radius that covers huge chunks of the FR then many flaggers won't bother playing.
• We don't have the players to both flag and lamer-patrol effectively as we used to. Settings that worked then might not now.
• Weekends are often the busiest and best times to find a flag game so turning them into special events is a bad idea long term. Have a 'Timewarp Tuesday' where the settings revert to something old and silly if the bots can handle it.

[SpookedOne]

• The heart of TW pub is the flagging game.

Think you make some good points Viruk. Old weasel and lev settings were reintroduced for few reasons:
* promote people to play the core flagging ship, the terrier
* put gunners at a distinct disadvantage while in base
* wzl and lev cancel each other out to some degree
* x is easy to thwart with terrier; especially if coodinating with a jav, shark, spid or lanc

I believe a lot of pubbers have honestly grown too accustomed to vulching/laming rather than basing or working together with team. The changes are intentionally supposed to make that style of play harder. For solo players, warbirds should still be strongest in the asteroids, javs in the base. Midbase spawns and attachmode will likely be adjusted to ensure these stay true and that every playmode is viable to some degree.

[Duster8]

weasel and lev dont cancel each other out at all. Weasel is OP as long as it has infinite cloak/stealth. None of the other ships have "free" x radar. It's unbalanced and annoying to have priv freq weasels running rampant. This is increasing the laming, not reducing it, and the number of players has dropped significantly. I think the test failed.