Staff resignation. It's controversial like Jerry Springer in '97.

[Ikrit]

damn qan... it really sucks to see you go... I really hope this is just another one of those i'm-claiming-to-be-leaving-but-will-be-back-within-days things... I know we've had a few differences in the past but you are an excellent bot dev'er and a great leader.

Your thread was very nicely worded and you made your points clear. I hope that the people with the power to take action will not only take note of this but take action to prevent anything else like this from happening again.

[Adman]

PL does hold grudges.


on another note you need ers who host tw games, not fucking retarded no skill newbie games.

how old is PL? 14? get epi back!!!!!!!! bring Poid back!

[Acidmouse]

Anyone who's sole aim in the game is to make staff should be perm banned. But alas that covers most of them, they seem way too far up their own ass to help the game move forward. Lets spend 50000000hrs talking about how to deal with tk'ers rather then something constructive.

Create another zone with TW settings and fuk um all, see how many of them stick around and try and help the zone then? Good post BTW.

[Cylor]

I'd kindly like to remind all of you that there are two sides to every story, and this is just one of them. Pure_Luck has spent countless hours on this game trying to make it better, and while he might not have done a perfect job there's no reason he should be the "bay guy." DoCk> has given a lot of money and time to make sure there is even a zone to play in and unless someone else is willing to put up the money for such an explansive project, they have no right to bash him.

That being said I agree with most everything that qan stated above, however I strongly urge those that know nothing about it to keep their big mouths shut.

[Vykromond]

1) Remove the stupid, antiquated staff ladder. Have ZH's be ZH's, ER's be ER's, and have both be recruited for those purposes. Have mods be mods, in charge of bans. SMods can be the same thing they are now.
2) Dump DoCK>.
3) Dump P_L.
4) Call PriitK at his Kazaa-funded island paradise, and make him give over his privileges, code, and sysop position. There will never be another version of Continuum released as long as this guy is "in charge."
5) Have EDIT: someone capable sysop the zone.
6) Have someone capable (I don't even know who's on staff these days) be Dean of Staff. Make sure he doesn't have P_L's ULTIMATE POWER OMGZORZ.
7) Listen to everything Epinephrine says. If he says it, implement it. He doesn't even have to be active for this to be an effective policy.
8) Listen to everything Brookus says. If he says it, implement it.
9) Bring Qan back.
10) Have a dedicated staff trainer or trainers who do their job consistently. Like the post says, there's no way someone should be "promoted" without understanding the job they're being promoted to.
11) Inspector General, yeah, whatever. Good idea.
12) Axe everyone who uses Asian smileys sincerely from staff.
13) Ban everyone who uses Asian smileys sincerely from TW.
14) Ban everyone else from TW.

[Vykromond]

DoCk> has given a lot of money and time to make sure there is even a zone to play in and unless someone else is willing to put up the money for such an explansive project, they have no right to bash him.

You can't be serious. Everyone appreciates what DoCK> has done for the game. That doesn't change the fact that everything Qan said above is true, and that DoCK> is holding things back at this point.

As for the whole "no right to bash him if you're not willing to pay all the moneys!" thing, that's possibly the oldest, dumbest argument in the book.

EDIT: As for Pure_Luck, for every good decision he's made with "all the time he's spent," he's made two bad ones.

[Acidmouse]

As long as people keep flogging the "look what hes done for the zone" line, nothing will change and cylor will get promotion.

[Cylor]

You can't be serious. Everyone appreciates what DoCK> has done for the game. That doesn't change the fact that everything Qan said above is true, and that DoCK> is holding things back at this point.

As for the whole "no right to bash him if you're not willing to pay all the moneys!" thing, that's possibly the oldest, dumbest argument in the book.

EDIT: As for Pure_Luck, for every good decision he's made with "all the time he's spent," he's made two bad ones.

You failed to see my point. Lots of players read the forums and take other's opinions to heart and completely don't take into consideration any other point of view. Lots of people will look at this thread and say "man, yeah, what he said makes sense so I'm going to hate them too!" It's cool to be anti-conformist and I could see people posting about their hatred for said persons a mile away.

As to Acidmouse, I'm not on staff anymore. I quit well over two months ago. Nice try, though.

[Vykromond]

and cylor will get promotion.

Unlike, oh, approximately 94% of the staff in this zone, Cylor actually
a) gives a fuck;
b) is pretty intelligent;
c) isn't a furry.

I hope he does get promoted, ffs!

[Vykromond]

You quit staff? LOL. Forget the "i hope he does get promoted" in the last post then, whoops

[Vykromond]

You failed to see my point. Lots of players read the forums and take other's opinions to heart and completely don't take into consideration any other point of view. Lots of people will look at this thread and say "man, yeah, what he said makes sense so I'm going to hate them too!"

But it's okay, because Qan's right. :turned:

[Evasive]

hope lies in the proles

[Bioture]

I believe that the current situation is because of the decentralized organizational hiearchy. The majority of the staff consists of ZHs, ERs, and mods, who (besides ZHs), has the ability to use coercive power on the remainder of the TW population. This is so that the upper management hotshots can focus on other bullshit.

I'm not in a position to say whether or not there has been sufficient "quality improvements" in the game since i've started playing the zone. But since the staff isn't voted in by the population (we are strictly communists in this case) perhaps its better to ask "what is the number of cocks I must suck before I get on staff?"

[DoCk>]

Honestly, I don't see what the big fuss is about. About EventBot, I had expressed no less than 5 times that I did not wish for EventBot to be created. I didn't know you created it, or I would have consulted with you. I apologize for this. I don't want any systems that give us statistical information on what players want to be hosted. This will mean lower staffers will know exactly what the players want, and in order to make them happy they'll host the exact same few events over and over and over again. If that's not a step back I don't know what is.

As for anyone in upper staff holding anyone back, can you explain how this is the case? As far as I know you and others have been given tremendous latitude and permission in terms of development. Staff has always been very open and welcoming toward progress, and anyone who is willing to volunteer their time and effort to do something positive is welcome to do so. If you feel you are lacking support, don't you have your own teams, organizations, and other supportive mechanisms to get your work done? What exactly can an upper staffer give you than you cannot get for yourself? We aren't much different from regular staffers, except we have additional responsibilities. This means we have less free time on our hands with which to help you.

As for my own personal inactiveness, this is nothing different than usual. I spend what little spare time I have working hard on TWSites. The smods run the show in TW, and this is the way it has always been. Of course, if you had stayed a few more months you would have made smod yourself.

What about Trench Wars needs reinvention? I don't understand what exactly you mean. Trench Wars is a game that has stayed pretty much the same for many years. Our job is mostly maintenance; development of additional subgames is important but it isn't primary. Our core focus is pub gaming, TWD, and TWL.

I have the impression that some feelings were stepped upon. I only wish you would have spent more time talking to me before you made this decision. I find the fact that you quit entirely unacceptable and wish for your return.

[Troll King]

I think the ban appeals process should be made more open. There seems to be a lack of trust in the process. I understand that staff might prefer that all issues with bans should be kept private, but the reality is that those who feel they have been wronged will whine about it in public anyway.

I suggest that bans be kept private but when someone wants to appeal their ban then the eventual ruling should be made public, whether the ban is lifted or retained, along with a brief explanation for the decision. I think this would put more faith in the process for the general public.