where did lunar crescens <smod> go??

[Volcs]

Besides, I didn't even say that her attitude towards swearing was why you dislike her. If you look at my wording, and I was careful to word it that way, I said that it wasn't something people should dislike about people. My point wasn't that people shouldn't hate someone because they don't like swearing, but rather that disliking the use swear words isn't a negative quality, and shouldn't be viewed as such.

Well if that is the case then I apologize for making that assumption, but it seemed to me that that was what you were hinting at. There seemed to be a, well, an implication in your post.. maybe it was the:

If that's the biggest problem you have with her then that's just being petty.

And here, allow me to reword: My "biggest problem" with lunar is not his/her absurd issues when it comes to the words Fuck and Cunt.


And surprise surprise because I post maybe three times a week, and of those 3 posts you're there to contradict at least two of them. Maybe we're both just interested in the same pathetic, entertaining, crap.

At the same time, I do think you enjoy arguing with me more than others. There is no way your beliefs contradict mine in every instance...
Perhaps it is just the way I put mine across, straight to the point. I'm not careful with how I word things, you'll note that my threads aren't catering to anyone.

Right, well that was productive

[Troll King]

The key word in the "implication" was "if". Up until that point in this thread, that was the main reason you mentioned, so that's why I wrote that. Trust me, unlike a lot of other people here, I say exactly what I mean and I mean exactly what I say. Lots of people get angry at me over what they think I said, but if they look carefully, they'll find that I didn't actually say what they thought I did. I remember in one of the Racism threads that I had to say the same thing 3 or 4 times before I think IlyaZ stopped arguing about something I didn't even say.

As for any enjoyment I get out of arguing with you, run a search of my posts here and look at the hits where you've also posted.

You'll see I don't argue with you as often as you think I do. Oddly enough, Tyson seemed to think the same thing you did, and we'd barely interacted with each other at all.

[Volcs]

Well I like arguing with you :wub: You aren't a fucking idiot, which puts you above about 99% of the people on this game.
Atleast I'm willing to admit it, lol.

but never classify me in any category along with Tyson... that's just degrading.

[kites]

Well this topics been covered, close it up Stab.

[Lunar Crescens]

Hmm. Randedl, Randedl...Randedl.

Randedl: "lunar, i don't recall what i did, and i doubt anybody but you does. you have an unnatural way of holding a grudge in cases that probably don't even involve you half the time."

It's not that you're unable to remember what you did, but that you've conveniently chosen to forget it. ...head in the clouds...

I also wouldn't consider that I've held a grudge over these particular incidences. It's just that in these two instances I witnessed firsthand that you had complete disregard for Staffers who have done nothing wrong to you prior. The fact that Dr. <ZH>'s case didn't directly involve me doesn't diminish the fact any, that you were clearly being an arrogant, as Guany would put it, 'retard'. As one of the senior Staffers on the scene, if felt it necessary to stand up for Dr. <ZH>'s right to host without your thoughtless interruptions.

Randedl: "i am sure that if everybody abided by your rules, trench wars would be a better place right? we could have this guy set up and call it "big robo ref". we could put cameras in every pub (oh wait, we already have that) and we could, abiding by the "lunar crescens what should a proper person do" commandments, punish people without warning nor comment if anything they did wasn't up to our standards?"

It most definitely would be a better place yes-but that's besides the point really. I have never ever abused my given positions on Staff-ever. The Zone always came first followed by Staff's best interests. I have never ever punished anyone without having issued due warning prior. Upper Staff can confirm this quite readilly. I really dislike-no, HATE sounding like a bragger, but during my time on Staff and as a regular TW player I have never ever had any black marks/warnings against me. It can be said for the record, that few could match up to my unshakable, integral and by the book dedication to Staff activities. I would never stand for half-rear'ed efforts, it must be 100% everytime, all the time. You may not have noticed but I had always managed to exceed the ?help quota without failure, even whilst holding other Ranks and working on other Staff projects.

Randedl: "case and point: you left staff and quit the game when you were shot down in your attempt to impose a rule that said you could ban people with long names? oh, and respecting your fellow staffer? how many of them did you have on ?ignore?"

*LOL* Another one that thinks he's the expert on the surroundings of my departure from Staff. If memory serves me correctly Randedl, you were not on Upper Staff chat at the time (in fact not even apart of Staff for several weeks), while discussion regarding the Long Name Bug was taking place. Most likely your 'informant' provided you with second hand information and was careless enough to misinterpret or deliberately omit facts regarding my opinion. I took a pre-emptive approach or in law enforcement circles, a 'pro-active' approach to the issue. The other Upper Staffers present at the time did not agree to this, which was absolutely fine. I'm not sure how many people know, but there is no 'written' procedure regarding how our Operational Staffers should address a Long Name Bug case. Speaking from personal experience on Staff, it is very easy for TW Staff to fall into disarray when a very complex case is encountered. I entered that discussion with our Operational Staffers in mind, my objective was to come up with a clear cut procedure on how to deal with LNB's so that Operational Staff would know EXACTLY how to respond if and when the matter arose. The explaination that was given to me by a few Upper Staffers was unsatisfactory, however, I agreed openly that I would leave LNB cases to the other Upper Staffers to deal with.

Now, the exact reason as to why I had left Randedl, was because of you. You were the proverbial final straw that broke the horse's back. You were the last Information Leak case that I was going to accept, as Upper Staff clearly saw it as a non issue. It was because of the fact that you used the information being passed onto you by your 'informer' to abuse ?help and patronise me that made me put my foot down and resign without second thought. I find it tragically amusing that you initiated this thread, acting as though you were innocent and unknowledgeable about your part in my leaving. They say the thief, is never far from the scene of the crime, Randedl...how very true it is.

Now, onto your insistence regarding my decision to ignore certain Staff members. These particular Staff members got into an argument with me and seeing no other solution to the stalemate, I placed them on ignore, for if I didn't, they would continue sending me Private Messages. What would you have me do? Continue to engage in pointless bickering with them? You might enjoy spending your time picking fights, but I always very much preferred to spend that energy helping to improve TW. Persons who were ignored, were ignored for very good reason, no matter who they were. It's the reason why the ?ignore function is there to begin with.

Randedl, you might think that I enjoy picking on you and singling you out, but that's not the case. Once, not too long ago, I had looked up to you and admired you for your time on Staff. However, as I progressed and gained more experience I began to see the rot that was eating away at you. I saw too vividly the reality that you were ingrained in the sickening culture that sported an attitude of indifference and carelessness to the essential things that held TW in place. Your excuse? You were bored.

You really should take your own advice and pull your head out of the clouds before you even THINK about comparing your contributions to Staff/TW with mine. And no, I hardly think sending in a ?help message containing leaked information to patronise Staffers who work hard for TW counts as helping.

[Nethila]

Now, onto your insistence regarding my decision to ignore certain Staff members. These particular Staff members got into an argument with me and seeing no other solution to the stalemate, I placed them on ignore, for if I didn't, they would continue sending me Private Messages. What would you have me do? Continue to engage in pointless bickering with them? You might enjoy spending your time picking fights, but I always very much preferred to spend that energy helping to improve TW. Persons who were ignored, were ignored for very good reason, no matter who they were. It's the reason why the ?ignore function is there to begin with.

ignoring a regular tw player is one thing, but ignoring a fellow staffer should not be allowed. a simple "i don't want to argue with you anymore" would stop any arguments. People in staffs are being trusted to not be a prick, and they will stop if you tell them to. Putting them on permanent ignore.txt is not a solution at all. That will cause way too many confusion with staff communication. Way to contradict yourself lunar.

[Volcs]

Hey lunar, when did you start playing TW?

That alone should be a good indication to everyone that something is definitely wrong with the way staff are hired.

And Lunar - some of the best staff TW has ever seen were the ones who did their job, and didn't take it too seriously. The ones that remembered that "this is just a game" and it was a game they enjoyed, not a chore.

[wadi]

Meeeow!

[hogo]

so now that we all know TW Staff sucks donkey dick...

?find THE PUSHER

[kites]

ignoring a regular tw player is one thing, but ignoring a fellow staffer should not be allowed. a simple "i don't want to argue with you anymore" would stop any arguments. People in staffs are being trusted to not be a prick, and they will stop if you tell them to. Putting them on permanent ignore.txt is not a solution at all. That will cause way too many confusion with staff communication. Way to contradict yourself lunar.

Obviously you havn't been in many arguements, simply telling them to stop will only increase the problem. EVEN if they are staffers, because staffers are people too.

[Randedl]

for your information, i've always had a good rapport with dr., i'm sure i was probably even having a laugh with him at the time you bring up.

you will have to remind me what the "other" instance of me committing a cardinal sin was, because i guess i just didn't care as much as you did.

anyways lunar. i guess you are never wrong and everybody, including myself, should really thank their lucky stars that you have managed to touch our lives. we all go to sleep feeling that much more content with ourselves.

i find it a bit ironic that "i made you leave staff", i could probably say the same about you. your tone and language throughout your big speech there shows just how high and mighty you thought, and still think yourself to be. it is people like you who are alienating staff from the people they are there to serve. you spend your entire day fraternizing with other staff members, flooding the chat with:

staffer 1> hi lucy, or sarah or whatever your name is
lunar> hi jimmy! *giggle*

etcetera etcetera etcetera, all the whilst looking down at anybody who doesnt' have a tag or the ability to ban. there was once a time when staff chat was for the purpose of staff issues only, and that was because of people like you and in order to avoid the above problem.

if you have had something against me, that's great. while you may have once held me in such high esteem, i have always looked at you as a horrible suck-up who is either too sheltered and un-socialized or just completely fake to put up with. you may or may not realize it, but half the time you think you are having a conversation with somebody, they are patronizing you.

everybody will have people who love them and hate them, i am no different, nor are you. if you want to point out stuff that i have done to piss you off, that's fine. i left staff long ago, and for my own reasons. your criticizing the way i did things really doesn't matter to me. but hey, don't you think it's a bit odd you only managed in your position of esteem for what, a week? two?

in that time, what did you actually manage to accomplish that had any effect? a message on the website that made half of trench wars go "is this for real?" well done.

however; i think your biggest problem is that you have almost forgotten that subspace is a game for people to enjoy themselves in (with limits, sure). zh's will answer their help calls, er's will host their games and mods will ban those who need to be banned for taking certain liberties. should they not be able to enjoy themselves from time to time? i've been specced or warned or whatnot by good-natured people before. i didn't ?ignore them or swear at them or put a blackmark on them. want to know why? because i know they are just having some fun, it makes me laugh half the time. i'm not being hurt or pissed off or whatnot by it, i'm not going to start a crusade against it. if staff members can't enjoy themselves, you are going to find that there will be no staff around to do these jobs. people aren't being paid to put up with things like "*OMG* YOU SWORE, 1 DEMERIT POINT AND I'M IGNORING YOU!!!"

despite what you might think lunar, you can be wrong once in a while. falling back on the only person who supported you still doesnt' take away from the fact that everybody else was in disagreement.

[PH]

so now that we all know TW Staff sucks donkey dick...

?find THE PUSHER

I second, third and fourth this statement.

[Shas'la T'au Kais]

i wonder when t0ne will add his opinion here

[Adeon]

0mG tHe NeW wEaSeLs ArE tEh ShIz AwEs0eMnEsZ!!1

People in staffs are being trusted to not be a prick, and they will stop if you tell them to. Putting them on permanent ignore.txt is not a solution at all. That will cause way too many confusion with staff communication. Way to contradict yourself lunar.

She never mentioned anything about ignore.txt, just the ?ignore command.

Hey lunar, when did you start playing TW?

That alone should be a good indication to everyone that something is definitely wrong with the way staff are hired.

I first 'met' lunar when I joined Dark Gift back in Feb 2003. I don't know for how long she was using this name prior, but she had another name before that, which many on the squad also knew her as. I also don't know how long she had that one, but I know she had been playing at least 6 months - a year before I met her. So she started playing TW in 2001? Maybe 2002 at the latest? And she became staff 2-3 years later. That indicates... what?

[Nickname]

Randedl makes this thread entertaining, with a little help from the newbie ex smod.