I Like Weasels

[PH]

Answer the question, Tone. How much good was my 100+ bounty doing when my team was unable to take base?

[SpiderMage]

On another name i have about 120 more wins than loses using all weasel. they maunover so fast and well, harder to hit, fit through holes, fire while thrusting, multi L3 bullets, this ship is powerful and no wonder im doing well in it and enjoying it. Anyone enjoys a powerful space ship im sure. Who ever said im lying, no im not lying, i really do use the ship and kill plenty more than kill me, mostly by thursting and firing, second mostly by being able to manuover so well and fast, the ship can make fast direction changes many times better than any other ship.

They see me when i stealth thurst and fire. Not hypocrite, weasel is actually in the game now, rather all than all of the time being right on top of a ship with everything turned on , then firing. Thank goodness the game keeps getting better and better for us all. The settings wernt even changed for a majority who likes it, they were changed because who runs this game wanted settings that make a lot more sense and are fair & balanced. Now i think ill let this thread, the final tone thread on weasels, rest. Long live fair & balanced trenchwars.

Spoken like a true assholic coward. <_<

[Troll King]

Okay, I've held back from posting here except for an odd off-colour penis malfunction joke in the hopes that the idiocy going through this thread was temporary, but now I see that is hardly the case.

First of all, stop making the claim that staff made the recent changes to the weasel for tone's benefit, to make him happy, or even to shut him up and stop posting about it every day. That is giving both tone (and this forum) way too much credit. No offence to tone but more established, influential, popular and/or sensible people have done the same thing he's done on this and other potential changes to the zone with little to no effect. Staff has a history of making changes like this every so often and it just happens that tone wanted this change in this particular instance. To say that it's anything but pure coincidence is giving tone far too much credit than he deserves.

Second, it isn't really hypocritical of tone to now like the weasel after not liking it before. That's because it's no longer the same ship it was. If it wasn't then people wouldn't be complaining about the changes. To say that tone is a hypocrit because he likes weasels now but didn't before means that you must do the same thing to people who liked weasels before but not anymore. They're just opposite sides of the same coin.

Third, the ease of getting a particular ship to 100 bounty or having over 100 more wins than losses has nothing to do with whether the weasel's new settings are good or bad. If that were the case then people can make a very good case that warbirds have been overpowered for years.

And finally, just play the damn game! If people hated tone's complaining and whining before then for gawd's sake don't start doing it yourself thinking there's any difference.

[PH]

I don't believe I've ever called Tone a hypocrite. Just an idiot. He never bothered to experiment with the ship, he just whined about it. He's talking like the ship underwent a night-to-day change, when it was more along the lines of a smart-to-retarded change. The ship is absolutely useless as far as basing goes. Taking it anywhere near the flag room is suicide.

What it comes down to is that all ship six users and (on a smaller scale) ship two's skilled users have taken the fall for ship two's inexperienced users being too inept to avoid killing their teammates, and as a result pubs have gone from what little of a learning experience they still were to little more than retard conventions.

By the way, TK, thanks for the input, but what was I getting at is that achieving 100+ bounty so many times in a row would have been much more difficult before the weasel got dropped on its head. The weasel was an effective (most people called it "lame") equalizer against people who do what I did. Before, anyone could have hopped in a weasel and taken me out with ease, and I would have had to change ships and deal with him, or find another arena. Now there are very few things that can stop me. I'm going to take a page out of Tone's book and repeat myself. A painfully average warbird can dominate the spawn area now. Meanwhile, the other team (read: the team that can use common sense) is comfortably kicking back in the flag room, smoking some fine Cuban cigars, maybe playing some bridge.. do you see the problem here? It's a lot like a private freq taking over a base. Both situations create the same problematic "vacuum" that you've spoken of. While I'm off doing my own bounty collecting, my team will eventually get tired of dying at the front line, say "Well this sucks!" and resort to roofing or spawning.

RIP Basing.

[Troll King]

Spidermage was the one who called him a hypocrite.

And the key words in what you said were "who do what I did". You can't just take your own experience because you're just one person. You have to look at the zone as a whole. There are just too many variables involved that you can't base things on one person deciding to warbird one night. One person does not make a statistic.

[PH]

I'm only one player, yes, and basing a statistic off of my performance alone would usually not make sense. Very true. But I don't think you understand just how painfully mediocre I am in ship one, TK. You'll have to watch me sometime to see what I mean. Anyway, I repeated my test today, tallying up 188 bounty (a large portion of which came from killing weasels who were using cloak without stealth) in less than ten minutes while my team struggled to even get past the tube without getting slaughtered. But hey, I did well personally so who cares, right?

This sort of selfish attitude among players is what is REALLY crippling Trench Wars' fun factor. Even die-hard basers are playing for themselves, camping to protect their records instead of taking a few bullets for the team. Oh, that and everyone seems to think ten javelins per team means an automatic victory, but I already vented my frustration on that issue in another thread.

[Shas'la T'au Kais]

i like sarin's idea

ps:fuck you t0ne

[Kolar]

Yeah that idea seems pretty cool. I think the only big deal now is to remove the thrust shot so we can shift things back to normal and focus on getting some kind of tk prevention system up and or lower the number of javs.

[SpiderMage]

Spidermage was the one who called him a hypocrite.

And the key words in what you said were "who do what I did". You can't just take your own experience because you're just one person. You have to look at the zone as a whole. There are just too many variables involved that you can't base things on one person deciding to warbird one night. One person does not make a statistic.

Mainly called him a hypocrite for this TK: "this technique is especially good for messing with Ice_Cap and other pub bird duelers who duel above the right and left safes". Maybe I called him that before he said it, but this just solidifies it. One of his major bitches about Weasels was that they ruined HIS fun of spawning, sniping and camping people in the spawn area(him in Lanc) yet he's now doing the samething he bitched about in the now watered down Weasel.

[Theif of Time]

did anyone else pick up kolars unintentional pun?

remove the thrust shot so we can shift things

[CloudHelmut]

Firstly, I agree with Troll Kings numbered post a few up.

Secondly, I agree Pure Hatred's new avatar is hypnotic. It also makes it harder to be annoyed with him than the linebacker one. :fear:

I don't know how well the weasel held down decent WB spawners or if even if they get x'd they stop spawning. While you say that you're not a great WB, as a seasoned player I'm sure you are above average in pubs, especially if you play "no mercy" you can pick up a good bounty. It's the campers that weasel's really f-up.

Would simply dropping the WB bullet velocity solve a lot of it's overpower issues? Shorten it's range? I'd like to keep it the "fast calvary" of the game, keep ship speed.

[Kolar]

Spawners are really a non issue when it comes to pubbing.

[Stultus]

I think the only big deal now is to remove the thrust shot so we can shift things back to normal

Normal? It's always been that way.

Spawners are really a non issue when it comes to pubbing.

Did you read any of this thread? I'm convinced you didn't.

[PH]

Normal? It's always been that way.

Indeed. Even the old fat weasel was capable of it, but it was useless back then because the bullets didn't have such a high forward velocity. I had no problem with that, and in fact, for the 759th time, I'd love to have the old weasel back so I can get back to basing. That's right, Kolar, ship six used to be an excellent basing ship for those who were willing to think outside the box. Unfortunately, it seems like you think the box never even existed.

Did you read any of this thread? I'm convinced you didn't.

It's not that he didn't read it, it's that he doesn't actually pub. He attaches to his terrier and pissfarts around in the FR. He doesn't take the time to go out to the spawn zone and see what goes on out there. He doesn't take the time to work his way to the base. Why run a gauntlet that you like to pretend doesn't exist when you can just hit F7? Oh, that's right, ignoring the real problems is standard procedure now. My bad.

[CloudHelmut]

Kolar said:
Spawners are really a non issue when it comes to pubbing.

For the most part I'd agree with you, they really don't affect my game. I think that Pure Hatred's point is that having a ship that's so easy to spawn with, people will prefer to spawn over basing. Correct me if I'm wrong, PH.