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**Kontrolz** · 10-20-2006, 07:10 PM

No clue as to why you think changing the lev so it doesn't destroy basing (no matter what bots you introduce unless it restricts levis) is going about changing public arenas in the wrong way. I think you were just a bit upset that you weren't totally in the loop on public settings. Like moot said, settings THEN bots. But there are some fundamental problems with publics that can't be fixed by bots, settings need tweaked (if you disagree just look at the levi and the weasel).

**Sumpson** · 10-20-2006, 07:12 PM

Some previous posts I made about the proposed idea:

The bot would keep track of the time each freq has and show it in the top right corner. When a freq has 10minutes the game is over, it will show the scores of all players which have been playing (for over 5minutes, the whole game?) and give out one MVP.
The current MVP system is kind of random to me, people don't fight to get MVP, this way people would fight to get MVP which would make the game more interesting and have more people trying (MVP = spider!).
Whenever I play pub I ignore the bot messages which is easy, with the new system I would be liking to play to get MVP and try playing good.

I think overall it would be much more interesting to play pub this way, and don't really understand why the current pub game is the way it is.

the con of this idea is, people get online to play the game they like, if this is changen they might not get online anymore. but this is the same problem you have with each change, I really think it would get more players then less, ?go base players like me would be starting to play pub more often and get serious action going on in it.

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Ah Im able to post now! I've sent two other replys in this topic but they never showed up.

Anyway they we're about the idea of the pub basing, the idea is to use the game formule like in ?go base in the pub arena's.
This does not mean ship-restrictions, too much of the current players wouldn't like that. They like to do what they are used to in pub and this should not be changen by changes from staff, try to change them and let them focus on the teaming.

Those who are basing in pub can focus on the bot messages(time score) and for this try to team better to get the MVP and or good rec at the player stats send by bot at end. I believe this would lead to a more competitive and thus better public.

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It seems the Pub Bot topic has died, which I am surprised to see since I don't see why this is not priority #1 to work on for bot coders.

?go base bot in public without any ship restrictions, players should be able to do whatever they want in public. I believe this would bring more basing action even without ship restrictions tho.

What exactly needs to be done?

The bot should:

Record the time each freq has and show it on the top right.

Show scores at end of game (10mins) of players who have been playing from the start.

Show 1 MVP (system like in ?go base)

After a game ended start a new one after 3 minutes.

Also, the current basing game should be removed.
I don't see any structure in working on the new bot, and don't hear anything about it. Since I came up with the idea of getting the basing games in public like in ?go base I thougt it might be good if I make clear what should be done.

This change would have the biggest effect on the zone, this is why I wonder why it's not priority #1.

Why this change?
To bring more harmony to the zone, newbies would have a clear view on what basing is about.
To get more interest in the pub basing from everyone including ?go base players.
The MVP would make people want to try playing good (since it would be only 1 and not 5 random players like currently), to get this MVP they would have to play spider which would bring better teams and more basing action.

This MVP would also get points later on for the new TWRPS system (current MVP is random to me, none fights for it, don't believe earning points for it would be right)

I know I don't have a staff possition and you don't excactly look up to me because of this but I hope you do take this seriously. I have spoken with Pure_Luck about this and he agrees with the new pub basing theme. I hope you do too

**Voth** · 10-20-2006, 07:19 PM

Hm.

Mootland Farmer's opinion

or

Sumpson's opinion

No contest, Moot knows what he's doing and he doesn't need some egotistical jackass like you telling him what to do. If you were in his position you could do your little plan, but guess what, you're not, and thank god for that.

**Sumpson** · 10-20-2006, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Kontrolz View Post

No clue as to why you think changing the lev so it doesn't destroy basing (no matter what bots you introduce unless it restricts levis) is going about changing public arenas in the wrong way. I think you were just a bit upset that you weren't totally in the loop on public settings. Like moot said, settings THEN bots. But there are some fundamental problems with publics that can't be fixed by bots, settings need tweaked (if you disagree just look at the levi and the weasel).

Both freqs only have 1 levi, I don't believe it will be able to ruin the basing, but make the levi's meaningfull again. If a levi does get a couple good shots, players will start hunting the levi and the basing can continue. Players won't hunt the levi if they don't care about the basing, and the basing will die.

Yes I am a bit upset about my idea of the public arena's being out of the loop after having much discussions about Pure_Luck, different staff, and even contacting bot coders with permission to create the bot.
However I am more upset about them wanting to change the shipsettings and map of the game I like (well its not pub, but would like it to be pub, pub changes might get trough to real basing tho).

The first zone I started playing in was SFSS Star Wars, it was in the year 1998, I played there for about 2 years, then some Sysop felt like changing the settings, and so totally ruined the zone. He later got the zone SWR with that settings and the zone SFSS Star Wars died because the population was ripped appart and wasn't high anyway. And so I had to find a new zone, I don't want to find a new zone again because someone feels like ruining the settings I have chosen to play.

PS Voth, to me it seemed Mootland has no idea what he's doing.

**Mootland Farmer** · 10-20-2006, 07:53 PM

Your ideas Sumpson.

The bot idea has some merit. I think most of us would like to see a basing bot implemented to help promote basing in Publics, as that's what stated in the Zone Objectives.

I disagree with the Leviathan idea. As much as I hate Leviathans, it would be suicide to limit them to one per frequency or team. We would lose a whole community. To be honest, I would rather find a compromise between basers and LTers. And besides, Publics are meant to be a place where you can play any ship (I realise the irony of me saying this, but that's why I want to find a compromise, so there would be no Pure Publics). I don't think just having a bot will make things all fine and dandy. I don't know why, but it seems harder to revert changes than make them, but the Public Committee are trying to make changes in your guys best interests. There will always be someone who is pissed off, but that's because of how much the zone has branched out. Ok, I'm probably just rambling on now, but I hope you get the point.

The Public have quite a big say in these decisions as Upper Staff have let them. And so they should. But there has to be a change, and going on utilitarian theory that change has to be a change which least upsets people.

**Barton** · 10-20-2006, 09:33 PM

yo

fuck basing

dueling ftw!

-Barton

**Ivan** · 10-20-2006, 09:55 PM

god nerds

**Sarien** · 10-20-2006, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by Sumpson View Post

What are your thougts?

That you're a reactionary, and that this probably deserves to be in Trash Talk.

**Toasty** · 10-20-2006, 11:39 PM

thought fat ivan was posting his convo. Nice ideas sump, competition in pub when zone is deadish

SUMP 4 STAFF

PH · 10-21-2006, 12:21 AM

**Spiderman** · 10-21-2006, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by PH View Post

iWorship

**Darkmoor** · 10-21-2006, 04:56 AM

Using a bot to hide the problems is at best a temporarily solution.

Ps. Why is the public committee only testing levi settings?

**Sumpson** · 10-21-2006, 05:08 AM

the problem is not the settings or the map, this is what made Trench Wars the most popular zone.
The problem is the lack of competition, which can be solved with "just a bot".

PS. saying it does not work because it is "just a bot" is a very bad argument.

**Darkmoor** · 10-21-2006, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Sumpson View Post

the problem is not the settings or the map, this is what made Trench Wars the most popular zone.
The problem is the lack of competition, which can be solved with "just a bot".

You may not have noticed it but the settings have been tweaked over the years... Also, you say that the problem is not with the settings, but you still want to limit the usage of a certain ship? Would that not suggest that there is a problem with the settings?

This is not the year 2000 anymore and because the current situation is what it is, more drastic changes are necessary to keep the game running for another 10 years. Simply patching the public arenas with a bot alone will not accomplish that.

That stubborn attitude regarding any changes is what will eventually kill this zone.

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