An end of an Era

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[Venice]

You got my attention

I haven't posted here before, let alone read any of this mostly silly prattle, but when I hear something almost happened that I would have been very annoyed by, it's time to speak up.

I appreciate you guys who spend your time managing whatever you manage while I don't have to pay a cent. However, removing pure pub is asinine.

The thing that disturbed me most is the acknowledgement that the loss of "vets" is acceptable. You'd think that there would be a little more loyalty to us, who have been adding to the game and not abusing it for years upon years.

Thank you for coming to your senses.

Venice

[Xog]

Mootland Farmer

I've a brighter idea that you could "test" and see how they go.

The following image is a rough draft of what the public arena shoud look like. I full-heartedly agree that pure pubs be removed, it's just the general first-feel of the game that I think people need a brighter light on.

So, in this proposal, I suggest you:

Label a spawn-zone with "Base" on top, and "Random Warps / Free-Fighting" on the bottom. (see image)

When player flies over the safe tileset for "Base" it warps you to a random point in the base, or when you fly into Random Warps / Free-Fighting, it warps you near the astroids outside the base, near the old spawn points.

If you look at my image, you can even move the safe-zone from the middle to a seperate isolated point in the map outside of the "O" that the whole arena is surrounded by in asteroids, so when players enter a ship they appear in a safe zone and pick whether to appear in the base or the old spawn point.

See picture:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/191...roposalre0.jpg



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Sorry, here's an edited image of it for more clarity:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1...oposal2ma7.jpg


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Here's what I meant by moving the spawn zone to "outside" the asteroid "O":

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5...oposal3yx3.jpg

[Spider]

In old days we didn't need restrictions on ships or freqs and there was awesome basing in pub. I haven't been in pub very often in the past couple years (literally) but when I am there, I see no real basing. Even with the bots warping people into the flagroom, etc.

I think it is the people that have changed. Changing the settings isn't going to bring life back to the way it used to be. Thankfully we have ?go base, so I can still have a good game of basing many times daily. And TWBD.

Make no mistake folks, this zone is a basing zone. It always has been, it always will be. Look at the map! There is a base, with a flag. That's the entire point of it. Sure, technically you can come in here and not base, people have done that in spades for ages, but it is not what the zone is for. We used to call those people noobs, and tell them how to play the game.

// Attach to the terr!! Tick his name with page up/down and press F7.
// ATTACH WE NEED HELP!

Eventually the noob figures it out and has a blast.

The levs and lev terrs were a part of the excitment of basing. You always had to send a couple people out to kill a levterr if it was causing too much problems for the basers. There is no levterring without a healthy game of basing. After all, who the fuck are you shooting at? The basers! And getting a greened lev into the flagroom to shoot the poor saps trying to get in. That was great! It used to be a goal. When a team got into the flagroom they tried to green a lev to set up shop in there. Seasoned basers did this, not newbie lev pilots. That is probably why everyone lined back them instead of cramming. The lev would destroy its own cram.

Fuck this used to be a fun game... Mmmmmm... Crown of Thorns my sexy baser babe, where are you? Paladens of years gone by... Ohh, where oh where are youuuu.....

I know there's a setting to slow a ship if it is holding a flag. Can this be done to LTs? Slow down the terrier if a levi is attached. A baseterr would not be affected as the levi should unattach.


I personally loved publics the way they were during the first few years I played Trench Wars. Players had a choice on what they wanted to do in publics: duel warbirds/spawnkill, hunt the LTs, base, or private freq carnage, etc. These things still exist in Trench Wars, they were just taken out of the publics and into their own type of arena. I'm not saying these events should be taken out (a couple maybe) but I don't think you should force players in public to only base.

[Reaver]

Thanks. I'm sure it was a tough decision to remove them just as it was a tough decision to implement them. It wasn't really your fault, but I honestly felt and still do believe that the people that disliked LT's and whatnot were far outspoken than those that could tolerate the LT's or even enjoy hunting/playing with them on these forums. People often said that pure publics were much more popular but I always challenged that at least some of their popularity had to do with them being the first arena on the arena list, so people naturally entered into them. Now instead of those default arena's forcing basing, they allow for basing, LT'ing, LT hunting, dueling, turrets (better when Dock> would increase the attach limit for the weekend), etc. You let the player choose what they want to play.

Here's a quote, "DoCk>: The toughest job is trying to figure out what is good for the public, and not what is
public demand. Sometimes decisions can be extremely unpopular but then grown to be accepted
later on. This is a fact of life of being Sysop, and every little change or move, simply
because of the size of this zone, causes a lot of heat to be turned on the zone's staff."

Edit: Jeez, that didn't last long. Never mind everything.

[Denny Crane]

All that is needed is not having LT's be so dominant.

If a Levi is attached to a terr, it can't warp. If a levi is attached to a terr, it has a slow power drain, or needs to maintain a level of energy to attach (like other ships) but needs same to remain attached. They shoot, they detach until it builds back up.

Can one of those or another of the million ideas be implemented? Then I say timed pubs with LT's is just fine.

Oh yea! In pure pub, if a ship doesn't enter mid after a few minutes it's booted out of pure pub. That will remove lame roofers and snipers that sit and victimize people trying to base. They're getting easy pickings from people that are trying.

I'm glad I checked back. See you in the game.

eh, no ya won't.

[Pressure Drop]

pure pubs are not the reason that this game is loosing population . . .

that is competition from newer online games with better graphics etc ...

if pure publics where removed and the levi left unaltered i'd stop playing pub, i can't be bothered going back to lt's ruining the game.

i'd still be in favour of more experiments with the lev , an LT is ridiculously overpowered, i don't see how anyone can argue that

you could try improved speed and turning rate but L2 bombs and still the slowest ship etc etc

[MirrorriM]

I'm breaking down what he said, unless youre also responding to him.

[Chao.]

Uh...dueling and javing are still more popular than basing in TWD/TWL, they have a larger base of players, just check the ladders out some time...

[MirrorriM]

pure pubs are good for basers, but bad for players that like to duel

so heres my point, mootland farmer is probably one of the worst wbs in the game, he only bases and thats fine, but he only knows basing, he doesnt know what its like to be good in a wb, and quite frankly wb is pretty useless in a basing game, you maybe have 1 and thats it, spiders tear them up

pure pub basicly eliminated any reason for people to learn wb when they think the game is about basing to begin with. Why would a newbie want to learn how to play twjd or twdd when they can more easily learn basing in public and just play twbd?

if you really want to kill this game keep forcing the newbies to base in pure pubs. Basing was never as popular as wb and javs for a reason you know

couple seasons ago you couldnt find 12 decent basing squads for twl, they knew their game was dieing and they knew they were terrible at the other ships, so they wanted to quit if nothing changed. Well you changed the foundation of the game with public, and now no one wants to play wb or jav anymore, which is what the majority of the population enjoyed in the first place

keep on killing the game with your pure public

and to all you vets who say "public is fun now" stfu, none of you play public and if you do its for like 5 minutes at most, till .?go base starts up again, so i dont wanna hear about you playing public because its not true

The only way I see fixing the problem in your first point is having elim be the auto-entrance. If wbs and javs were so much more popular in the past, how did they get that way? There was still pubs, with a flag and a base.

Second point about no basing squads around because "they knew their game was dying..." is not a valid reason for why there were no basing squads. Can we use the same logic for why so many TWLD and TWLJ squads have dropped out of TWL? Is it because they know "their game was dying and they cant play other ships?" Now basing squads are more popular.

You say that is because we changed the foundation with pure pub. If the foundation sucked, then more people would still be playing javs and wbs. We cant "force" something to be popular. Times change, likes/dislikes change.

I still dont mind levs in pub as long as there is a timer.

[Vykromond]

SO is THE K.K.K AMONG DUMB WHITE PEOPLE

go ahead moot, why don't you Ban me for believing in the wrong god?

FUking useless POS, you belong in a zoo tied to a fence so someone can beat you with a linked chain until ur too weak to get up.

Wow... uh... wow.

[Dr. Snyder]

pure pubs are good for basers, but bad for players that like to duel

I never thought I'd say this but... damn nice points

[Kolar]

and quite frankly wb is pretty useless in a basing game,

Tell Fire Phoenix that.

[Exalt]

pure pubs are good for basers, but bad for players that like to duel

so heres my point, mootland farmer is probably one of the worst wbs in the game, he only bases and thats fine, but he only knows basing, he doesnt know what its like to be good in a wb, and quite frankly wb is pretty useless in a basing game, you maybe have 1 and thats it, spiders tear them up

pure pub basicly eliminated any reason for people to learn wb when they think the game is about basing to begin with. Why would a newbie want to learn how to play twjd or twdd when they can more easily learn basing in public and just play twbd?

if you really want to kill this game keep forcing the newbies to base in pure pubs. Basing was never as popular as wb and javs for a reason you know

couple seasons ago you couldnt find 12 decent basing squads for twl, they knew their game was dieing and they knew they were terrible at the other ships, so they wanted to quit if nothing changed. Well you changed the foundation of the game with public, and now no one wants to play wb or jav anymore, which is what the majority of the population enjoyed in the first place

keep on killing the game with your pure public

and to all you vets who say "public is fun now" stfu, none of you play public and if you do its for like 5 minutes at most, till .?go base starts up again, so i dont wanna hear about you playing public because its not true