Elim 2.0 Discussion

[Capital Knockers]

I don't know how I feel about the anti-spawn rule. I'm sure most will disagree with me, but I always thought the old old way of spawning everyone in the center added some strategy and unpredictability to the game that otherwise wouldn't be there. It made it so when the guy who was hiding got killed you could rack up a combo on him if you made it back to the center in time. Those guys who normally would run from a head-on conflict had no choice but to use some close range tactics once in a while.

And I agree that lagouts and specs that don't automatically eliminate players should add a death to their records.

I agree with Foreign here, spawning is a part of the game like it or not. Being able to get that quick spawn is a skill. If you can lockdown the middle, thats a skill. Look at TWL-D, you don't see a single bird not spawning in there, why should it be any different in elim?

[MetalKid]

I know what this bot still needs! A sudden death option! When 2 players get to the end, sometimes they both have very low deaths. This means it will take a long time for the game to complete. Often times, it is nice to have a sudden death game, so next kill wins. It would be nice to not have to play that scenario out all the way to the end because it'll end up being very boring and could last 10+ minutes.

However, this could bring about some compliations. 2 players with high ratios could end up being at the end, so dying once would preserve both their ratios. However, I would rather do that than wait 20 minutes.

[MetalKid]

I agree with Foreign here, spawning is a part of the game like it or not. Being able to get that quick spawn is a skill. If you can lockdown the middle, thats a skill. Look at TWL-D, you don't see a single bird not spawning in there, why should it be any different in elim?

Spawning is not a skill, especially when you appear and a bullet instantly kills you. If you can't move before a bullet hits you, how is it skill to kill you? I think a 2 second delay is too much. I just wanted a 1 second delay to avoid those damn spawn on bullet cases...

[milosh]

You still havent said what's going to happen to the old arena's.

Will they be left open? locked? removed?

If they(go javs) are left open people are still just going to go there, just like they are now even though they could be playing the same thing in belimbeta.

The elim/baseelim/baseelim2/javs arenas won't be replaced until beta testing is finished. I'm putting off the inevitable resistance of shutting them down as long as possible. :-)

The old formula should be working now. - Milosh

"Associated with each rating is a rating deviation which starts at ±100% and and goes down as you play more games. Rating deviation is displayed in brackets after rating and is omitted if it is 0. Your real rating is rating + or - deviation, - is assumed, when sorting top 100."

Have you figured out how this works though?

Also, could you fix it so that the bnty starts at 200 as elim has always been. Helps with telling apart different ships as well as a couple of other points.

I didn't implement the deviation as I don't really see much use for it... let me know if you disagree. Sure I can set bounty to 200.

[Capital Knockers]

Spawning is not a skill, especially when you appear and a bullet instantly kills you. If you can't move before a bullet hits you, how is it skill to kill you? I think a 2 second delay is too much. I just wanted a 1 second delay to avoid those damn spawn on bullet cases...

Well agreed, the spawning on top of a bullet sucks. Yet everyone faces that equally, it adds a uncontrollable factor to the game and I think thats a good thing. The skill part of it was refering to quick reaction, someone spawns in front of you, you need to be able to take him out on the first shot, fast, or he'll most likely get you.

[Sirius]

It was 300 originally.

No, it was 500. Just take a look at the combined kill/deaths of some of the top on this ladder... http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...elimladder.jpg none are under 500 combined, but most are around 500 but slightly over.

[MaGi kOz]

It was originally combined k/d of 500.

[MetalKid]

No, it was 500. Just take a look at the combined kill/deaths of some of the top on this ladder... http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...elimladder.jpg none are under 500 combined, but most are around 500 but slightly over.

No, I'm talking about the starting rating. It starts at 300. It takes kills + loses = 500 to rank.

[MaGi kOz]

No, I'm talking about the starting rating. It starts at 300. It takes kills + loses = 500 to rank.

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[DankNuggets]

What happened to races?

What's more fun than a race to # kills? Sure you could say it favors people suiciding, but they're not going to do as well dying and respawning as they would if they just didn't die in the first place. Whoever wins should still have a good k:d ratio, and if there isn't a big win bonus i don't see how it'll upset the elim ratings. Or it could be an option but doesn't count for ratings if a lot of people are against it. It's certainly better than a levi elim...

[Zeebu]

What happened to races?

What's more fun than a race to # kills? Sure you could say it favors people suiciding, but they're not going to do as well dying and respawning as they would if they just didn't die in the first place. Whoever wins should still have a good k:d ratio, and if there isn't a big win bonus i don't see how it'll upset the elim ratings. Or it could be an option but doesn't count for ratings if a lot of people are against it. It's certainly better than a levi elim...

i never minded races. if i didnt feel like playing, id just spec and it would be over in like 2 minutes anyways

[milosh]

Concerning races:

I'm not against races and I can definitely add them in; however, I don't want their addition to add to confusion. There are two main ways I could implement races:

1. I could add another voting period, much like shrap, where users would vote on game style.
2. I could add more fields during the ship type votes.

Both, I feel, aren't very aesthetically pleasing, but give me some feedback on which each of you would prefer.

[DankNuggets]

Concerning races:

I'm not against races and I can definitely add them in; however, I don't want their addition to add to confusion. There are two main ways I could implement races:

1. I could add another voting period, much like shrap, where users would vote on game style.
2. I could add more fields during the ship type votes.

Both, I feel, aren't very aesthetically pleasing, but give me some feedback on which each of you would prefer.

just to be clear it's race to a certain number of kills, not racing around a map to a safety - yeah that was probably unnecessary, but i was getting confused for a sec

I think it would be better to use the second option - word it "any ship race" and then vote on how many kills instead of how many deaths.

The problem might be that the way you vote on ship is by entering the ship # instead of the old way. can you make it option 10? or 0? or replace anyship elim with anyship race? Or replace option 8 (are there shark elims?)

[milosh]

Well, the bot reads the ship types from a configuration file. (Example: 1,3,4,7,9 translates to 1-Warbird, 3-Spider, 4-Leviathan, 7-Lancaster, 9-Any Ship), so for race options on each ship I would probably just add 10 to each. Voting options in game would be the above plus 11-Warbird(Race), 13-Spider(Race), 14-Leviathan(Race), 17-Lancaster(Race), 19-Any Ship(Race).

It wouldn't be that difficult to accomplish, but as you can see that's a lot of ugly spam on your screen at the start of each game. Perhaps I could just add the options without the text and include something like "For kill races add 10 to an option".

I've added more statistics to the website(I'll implement them for !stats in-game soon). For a description of what the cryptic acronyms mean just hover your mouse over them.

[Vehicle]

Hmmm mil, maybe in the beginning vote on type of game, as in: 1-Standard Elim or 2-Race. Then have the ship choices and what not. It's an extra step, but at least it's prettier.