why cramming rules...

[Jason]

MoG, you're a basing newbie who happens to think he's something special because you're capable of participating in the latest craze to hit the scene. Cramming was a tactic used in the past, it just wasn't called cramming. It's nothing new. It's nothing special. In fact, it makes for a boring game, which is why I think it was abandoned before. You really need to realize this and stop making such a big deal about it. Listen to Bram. Listen to what others have said in this thread. They know what they are talking about. For christ's sake, don't be so narrow-minded.

[Randedl]

Originally posted by Miku19
I think the BWC matches showed some real basing, Finland vs East US was quite a show. Intense battles for flag (BZ always winning though ) defenses, both cramming and lining, adjusting when needed. And both teams even played a jav, so no 5 spid tactic making the game boring because of cram. (attacking is significantly harder with 5 spids vs cram)

and the winning team played a warbird!

[ZeUs!!]

So it's decided then, cramming blows?

[Machine of God]

suck all my dicks assholes cause im right and you are all wrong, eat my shit za gophar, jason, and bram

my right testicle will be rewarded to Zeus for being a cunt

my left testicle(sweaty one) will be rewarded to everyone else

[Yojo]

Cramming is the worst form of defense, but it is better than all the rest.

[Dabram]

Originally posted by Machine of God
suck all my dicks assholes cause im right and you are all wrong, eat my shit za gophar, jason, and bram

my right testicle will be rewarded to Zeus for being a cunt

my left testicle(sweaty one) will be rewarded to everyone else

that's another way of admitting you're wrong...

[Machine of God]

eat my shit hippy

[Miku19]

Originally posted by Jason
In fact, it makes for a boring game, which is why I think it was abandoned before.

Well, I guess some guys aren't here for the fun, and the thrill of winning with different tactics, just because you're better. Some guys will do anything to get that 200k borderline broken in TWL.

[Yojo]

For anyone who cares, mythrandir invented the so called "cram", except it wasn't called that then. He used it when basing was still held in a private arena, and his overly-agressive style led him into filling the entrance with people. Eventually, it became more and more known and it was taken public, where somewhere along the line it was given the name the "cram".

[Darius Winds]

my head hurts

my heads hurts from reading the first several posts...

im gonna go owwie because it's so much info...

brain explosion imminent

[NaiLed]

Originally posted by Yojo
For anyone who cares, mythrandir invented the so called "cram", except it wasn't called that then. He used it when basing was still held in a private arena, and his overly-agressive style led him into filling the entrance with people. Eventually, it became more and more known and it was taken public, where somewhere along the line it was given the name the "cram".

Basing was so much more fun back then :/

[Jason]

Originally posted by Miku19
Well, I guess some guys aren't here for the fun, and the thrill of winning with different tactics, just because you're better. Some guys will do anything to get that 200k borderline broken in TWL.

That's what is wrong with basing right now. Too many people are in it to win it, and no one is willing to experiment with new strategies and mix things up a bit. Now, of course, TWL is ultimately about winning, but TWBD matches and ?go base games could stand to see some fresh tactics being tested out.

[CrvenBan]

Thing with fresh tactics is that you need ppl willing to play it. I tried playing different setups when capping in ?go base, and if right ppl are not in the teams, it's just one big whine fiesta: oooh, 2 javs are shit, oo 2 birds are shit, ooo jav and bird are shit, ooo dont mine we wanna cram...OO STFU ALREADY !
It's just these new basers that don't know how to move away when mines come their way that make this whole thing shit.
And big squads don't wanna lose that easily, so when they're facing 5 laggy spiders they have no other choice but to play similar.

Mad props to Pallies for keeping it real with their wicked 1+1+3 lineup, and Rabbits are up there holding up with 4+1, A-S still lining...my hat is off to you gentlemen.

[Pearl Jam]

If you're into wild experimental lineups, come to ?go base when I'm the captain sometime. We get extra hardcore xxx-treme to the max like whoa times 9.

[Mythrandir]

Originally posted by CrvenBan
Thing with fresh tactics is that you need ppl willing to play it. I tried playing different setups when capping in ?go base, and if right ppl are not in the teams, it's just one big whine fiesta: oooh, 2 javs are shit, oo 2 birds are shit, ooo jav and bird are shit, ooo dont mine we wanna cram...OO STFU ALREADY !

Yeah that's really shitty. I remember when the 'cram' used to be new people used to say similar things ('this sucks we got no jav', 'we'll never get in base without jav'). And yes, even some diso members said shit like that.
It took years to have another entrance-defense strategy than lining, how shitty is that?

On another note, you don't HAVE to use 5 spids to cram. 4 spids work fine as well, and we've even managed to hold a cram with 3 spids, 1 jav and a bird.

So there's still plenty of room to try new stuff, but as with everything in the world: people hate changes.
That's why people hate the cram, and that's why some crammers hate anything other than a cram.

Cram used to own, now we're slowly learning how to deal with it.
And next TWL season a regular cram will be as easy to break as it is to break a regular line nowadays. (let's hope people will come up with something new)


So far in TWL Pallies hasn't faced any trouble with entering the base. Whether it was a line or a cram, we get in pretty quickly.
(now flagroom battles are an entire different story)