TW Council - UPDATED w/ structure

[Orthodoxy]

To a very great extent it is people. From my perspective, as staff is already eminently aware, there are simply too many consistently abusive players allowed to get away with far too much verbal harassment. ?ignore is not the answer to this kind of thing. It has to be taken under better control. The game itself exists for the greatest part exclusively in pub. I know you guys like to attach huge importance to your league games, etc., but that's not where the common man plays. And your populations aren't going to grow when people are put off because staff indulges the few. People need to feel safe. The world is fucked up enough as it is without having to take that crap here (or in any game) too.

[SolidSnake~]

I agree 100% with Shaddow and Exalt..time to put away past differences and just get this thing off the ground. There's only one guaranteed way this doesn't work--but simply writing it off completely and not even giving it a chance. Yes things were said and people were axed 3 years ago..who cares? And I'm not trying to diminish anyone who swears they were inconvenienced by whomever--only way this works is if we unite for just a short time to discuss the issues that are REALLY affecting this zone. Some would say those issues are people..OK maybe, but at least the players have a voice now. Besides, at this late date in the game's history what have we got to lose?

[Exalt]

Logged into TW and got my funny ?message of the week: [Feb 05 14:32] pee pee sock: u dum red headed n***er

Think he's confusing me with you kthx haha

[Reckful]

no offense and this is personal opinion but if your going to build in a veto system no presiding council member should be allowed to influence it. mainly to avoid as mentioned early a sysop not agreeing with something and pulling strings.

[Exalt]

This thread finally got good.

[Shaddowknight]

If Sysops veto something based on their own likes/dislikes of an idea, then the whole idea of the council is a waste of time. Should it happen I guarantee I'll be resigning from it. I have other things I can waste my time doing. Should the council be seen to run effectively without the need for them to veto, it can easily be changed to remove/reduce their ability to do so. Or even something like Congress overriding a Presidential veto can be introduced (a high majority needed).

The council will NOT run staff, and this is something I agree on. If you would only use council to get through your own personal agendas (axe X, Y and hire Z as smod, etc.) then you honestly don't belong on it. If you give a fuck about trying to fix shit, you'll join, put your ego aside, and work with the rest of the council to make a positive change overall.


Nobody actually cares how long you did what and how many twl titles you have. Your ideas, drive, and ability to work within the council's scope are what is needed. As of now the full extent of the council's ability is uncertain, but will develop as we continue to move forward.

[Demonic]

Oh and councils first matter of business, I don't care who is on it should be to spend the fucking donation money. You going to veto that?

Finally some common sense!!

[kthx]

Oh and councils first matter of business, I don't care who is on it should be to spend the fucking donation money. You going to veto that?

[kthx]

Obviously someone didn't watch Archer on Monday. And I guess having a kid means I can't use curse words anymore, wish I had read that addendum to the contract before banging out a few kiddos.

But thats besides the point. You keep ignoring most of my posts, especially the reasoning behind my ban and the apology.

Also, I never bully people into anything, I browbeat idiots and use my natural persuasion to change peoples minds on things. Also yeah I do think if staff had listened better to people like myself, ph, summa, lf that TW's population would be much higher than it is now. Stop being so fucking melodramatic and understand the root of the problem and why this council is doomed to failure unless changes within its core design are made. Remove any rules suggesting that a veto could happen. If you want to trust the community to fix the zone you and staff have been letting rot for these last 8 years then trust the community to note vote on "allowing cheat engine in pub" and other stupid shit. Having you or anyone else with the ability to veto anything based on loose fucking wording makes all the hard work you are asking these people to do frankly useless.

[Demonic]

The same shitdick reasoning you used to keep 00000 on staff, banned people and deleted posts when they found out who it was, and all the other fucking stupid shit you did is the same reason why you shouldn't be a part of this and why true veteran leadership is gone or doesn't give a shit anymore.

kept oO.Oo on staff yes, I rather not axe unless I have no choice. In 13yrs of staff I have axed 2 people, so only as a last resort. Yes I ban people, as bang op you kinda have no choice on that one to be fair, but again I removed a damn side more bans then I placed overturning shit loads that had been placed, and as for deleting posts, that's complete bullshit to say the least, I have deleted 2 posts tops, and only @ request.

I also already stated I am not fussed if I am part of council or not, but guess you chose to ignore that, again not glamorous and ruins your point right? I mean how can I be wanting to control things if I don't want this power. Also happy to leave veto's to the other 2 sysops, as it doesn't matter who is there they both know what is "safe/viable" for the zone and what isn't so I don't even need to be involved, in fact its a damn side less work for me, so your doing me a favour.

Or we could just play the how many swear words can we fit into one forum post game, since that makes you look big and tough and people listen to you right? Gets your point across so much more effectively right? Would have thought you might have grown up a bit having a kid now, guess not. Go ahead and join the council wark, but I guarantee you will try to bully everyones opinion on it, swear and demand them removed when they disagree probably with a forum poll and then quit stating its all staff's fault as they are the root of all evil and true vet's like you would have had 60million players in TW by now.

[fiS]

No absolutely not, Spock. Your opinion is OK and even though our opinions differ, I respect it. And you can of course present it and all. I just said that you should be reconsidering how you are getting your message across. That was my whole intention of PMing you. As I said, I have just referred to tht one forum post.

[Spock!]

No. I'm just clarifying something that Spock brought up about me which is simply false. I haven't been actively involved into any of the convos here. Just reading.

That this makes him unsuitable for the council is MY opinion.

Unsuitable because I said something staff doesn't like.

Democracy at work.


EDIT: Just realized this was my 200th post.....yay?

[Spock!]

Holy hell, where's that coming from? You didn't understand a single thing of what I said. Yes, I did contact you, and I didn't try to manipulate you or anything. I was simply just trying to *help* you understand what others were criticizing about you - your bias towards certain things and that you're not able to see any compromises. We never talked why you're not on staff, I just refered to the forum post where you mentioned that yourself

As I see you've clearly understood what I intended. I give up. Sorry for trying to actually help here trying to get a pubber into the council. Never mind, you're blinkered and you only want to see and hear what you want and hence imo not a suitable candidate (anymore). Thanks actually for enlightening me.

So, from my understanding, to “help me” you are saying I should change my view on issues (like LT’s) so that more people would like me, thus getting me into council. That, IMO, is the very definition of a kiss-ass/brown-nose. I already stated I didn’t want LT’s gone from the game, as much as I would like that. I know that wouldn’t be good for the zone.

I don’t want to get elected by getting people to like me, that defeats the purpose of the Council, I want to get elected based on people believing in the same issues as I, and want something done about it.

And from my memory, you made a direct correlation between me not getting on staff and me, in your words, probably not getting elected on Council.

Anyway, right now, there seems to be only 7 applicants for council, so I might even get elected by default, no ass-kissing required.

[fiS]

No. I'm just clarifying something that Spock brought up about me which is simply false. I haven't been actively involved into any of the convos here. Just reading.

That this makes him unsuitable for the council is MY opinion.

[kthx]

also im proud to have used cuntstop and shitdick in consecutive posts. thats real leadership.