TW Council - UPDATED w/ structure

[Shaddowknight]

Think you can join the council and prove it otherwise stop acting like a know it all and putting everyone else down.

Indeed. Time for people to step up or shut up.

[kthx]

Yes lets talk about that ban.

If the ban was for "spamming" shouldn't that have been a silence?
If the ban was for "spamming" wouldn't that have a set ban time instead of "when you calm down"
If the ban was for "spamming" why would you claim other bullshit rules about me causing a disruption to the zone.
I haven't played since then, nor will I, it wasn't about the ban itself it was about the retarded and frankly abusive interpretation of the rules set by the zone. That is why rules that are open for interpretation are bullshit despite how many staffers promise they won't be abused. And now we have this committee which you "don't need to be a part of" but have final say over if you can interpret a change you don't like as being a security threat to the zone somehow.

[Demonic]

Lets be honest here, the best applicants for the council refuse to signup for the election because after all the work we have done for the zone we have been fucked over by one or more of the staffers who are heading the council. I quit playing because of a bullshit ban I received for pushing to get ooooo axed. Summa, lf, ph etc all have similar stories. If staff really wants this to work it needs to swallow its pride and apologize to the people who truly tried to make the zone better. Maybe demonic shouldn't be on the council even as a sysop or smod. Everyone keeps saying to do this and just signup but nobody is asking for theobvious questions like WHY aren't the people who can actually fix this zone signing up, the problem and answer is obvious. Swallow your pride and do the right thing here and ill signup and probably start playing again, doubt I'm the only one.

I am not fussed if I am on the council or not to be honest, I am there purely for the fact I can implement the changes agreed on by the council, but as I have already told MM weeks ago, any vote that I would have I am happy for him to carry as 99/100 I agree with his decisions. I am also the most experienced staffer/bang op so from a security aspect I can input on what changes wouldn't be possible, but I don't need a vote to do that.

That said, Humid and me fell out over last TWL when he what I felt screwed over Apok's team (fierce I believe it was?) resulting in half the squad quitting. Once again, surprise surprise I sided with the players and stated a rematch should be the way to go despite twl op's disagreeing. It wasn't liked that I interfered, thus humid wont come back. Considering the farcical that was that TWL im not too bothered either way, if MM wants him I would support it, if not then so be it. I made my feelings on forum thread in the appeal post that I thought RM was right, but clearly I should have dragged it through the mud rather then just going along with twl op's decision in the end as somehow it is now my fault.

As for bullshit ban, want me to show you the bans you put for spamming in pub as mod? or doesn't that count as the ban was on you. One that I again didn't let run its full course btw and duly lifted when the situation had calmed down a bit. But of course yet again, making a show of yourself is the way to go in this zone as it shows you care apparently. I have no interest in dragging things up from the past up, and never really have done but im tired of the same old bullshit.

That said PH was a fantastic staffer and ran TWL really well, and if there was any way to get his involvement I would do anything I could to try to bring him on board. You seem to think you can fix this zone Kthx, yet you have zero experience in actually trying. You have zero knowledge in the main running of staff daily, and how to keep things ticking over as your exposure to staff was limited at best but granted you do talk a good game. Think you can join the council and prove it otherwise stop acting like a know it all and putting everyone else down.

Finally LF, I do disagree with what you said regarding spock being good for the council, I think you do need diversity and people who know area's really well. That said, I think you also can bring a lot to the table if you so chose, so would happily support any application you put in.

[kthx]

You want people are bitter, it shows they actually gave a fuck about the zone and took pride in their work and ideas.

[kthx]

Lets be honest here, the best applicants for the council refuse to signup for the election because after all the work we have done for the zone we have been fucked over by one or more of the staffers who are heading the council. I quit playing because of a bullshit ban I received for pushing to get ooooo axed. Summa, lf, ph etc all have similar stories. If staff really wants this to work it needs to swallow its pride and apologize to the people who truly tried to make the zone better. Maybe demonic shouldn't be on the council even as a sysop or smod. Everyone keeps saying to do this and just signup but nobody is asking for theobvious questions like WHY aren't the people who can actually fix this zone signing up, the problem and answer is obvious. Swallow your pride and do the right thing here and ill signup and probably start playing again, doubt I'm the only one.

[Summa]

True, I also think with regards to weak your past should be irrelevant to a degree, being banned for things doesn't mean you don't have a valued opinion, and could bring something constructive to the table. Since its players voting, and since its unlikely they will know a players past to a degree (staff wise at least) im hoping the voting will be based on what idea's they are looking to bring through over any so called passed indiscretions. Personally I will vote for anyone who actually appears engaging, driven and actually want to affect change in the zone.

i find this comical, being that you drove a lot of those very people out of staff.

[LF]

I'm not sure where all that came from but I'm not going to spend the energy fighting it because in the end I'm not participating in this regardless so it doesn't really matter what I've done/haven't done as compared to what others think I've done/haven't done. I'm entitled to think that after 14 years and contributing in just about every way possible both as staff and as a pub/twd/twl player that I know what I'm talking about. I'm not as confrontational and/or political as wark is but I have every bit the experience he does plus some, both within the community and on a competitive level. In the end it is only my opinion, and as meaningless as it has ever been. If you don't like it then take it with a grain of salt and drive on, because I'm going to give it regardless

[Spock!]

I don't doubt that you care and want to help Mr Spock, and I admire your willingness to contribute. I also can see the purpose of voting for people who specialize in 1 thing or another, in your case public arenas. What would concern me about voting for people like you or Exalt or Wazzaa or pee pee sock is how incredibly 1 sided your view is. As a member of the council you would not only be asked to address matters that concern pub, but the zone as a whole. Due to no fault of your own, but how could you possibly offer anything constructive to a conversation about TWL/TWD, or dueling, or events, or development, or marketing etc. Your opinion just like everybody elses is important and should be heard, but I believe the seats should go to people who actually have a clue in what they are talking about in more than 1 aspect of the zone. Please don't think this is a personal attack on you, I think you would make a fantastic candidate for <ZH> to increase your knowledge of how things work in TW. This opinion also applies to most of the staff that don't belong in a council seat but have a chair at the table merely because there was nobody else to pick from. I hope that makes sense

Ah, no offense taken LF. That being said, I have been a part of Dueling squads before, and I know a lot of the concerns and issues that arise through that experience. I’m also very familiar with events, as I almost always attend them when advertised and I’m rather familiar with what events are popular and those that are not-so much (no experience hosting)

The reason I thought “Specialists” for certain areas is that I fear that many players may have themselves spread too thin, with their attention given only partly towards certain aspects of the game, with these players having only partial knowledge on certain subjects.

Going with the “specialist” idea, players would (hopefully) have guidance from other players that are apart of the other parts of the game. That way, the players from their perspective zone specialties would be able to make their case on certain issues and explain the problem in full.

Also, I fear that there are few active dedicated people who are proficient in TWL/TWD, dueling, events, development and marketing left that actually want to run for council It seems to me to possess all of those skills one would have to be former staff.

And believe me, I have applied to staff multiple times, trying to help out the zone. Unfortunately I’m not a brown-nose like a lot of people seem to be (not mentioning any names) and I wasn’t afraid to offend the staffers when they made an idiotic decision for the zone.

[Exalt]

I don't doubt that you care and want to help Mr Spock, and I admire your willingness to contribute. I also can see the purpose of voting for people who specialize in 1 thing or another, in your case public arenas. What would concern me about voting for people like you or Exalt or Wazzaa or pee pee sock is how incredibly 1 sided your view is. As a member of the council you would not only be asked to address matters that concern pub, but the zone as a whole. Due to no fault of your own, but how could you possibly offer anything constructive to a conversation about TWL/TWD, or dueling, or events, or development, or marketing etc. Your opinion just like everybody elses is important and should be heard, but I believe the seats should go to people who actually have a clue in what they are talking about in more than 1 aspect of the zone. Please don't think this is a personal attack on you, I think you would make a fantastic candidate for <ZH> to increase your knowledge of how things work in TW. This opinion also applies to most of the staff that don't belong in a council seat but have a chair at the table merely because there was nobody else to pick from. I hope that makes sense

Honestly Lizard Fuel, I wasn't going to speak up on opinions like yours until I saw you down other players besides me, since I applied with no actual aspirations of winning, mainly due to players LIKE you, who think they know everything inside this community, yet are honestly NOT a part of the "veteran" community as someone like Demonic is/would be. You have never been a legit TWL player, for instance. Hosting radio and being on staff before does not mean you have the inside scoop on what players are thinking. You are not on any of my chats for instance, and you do not have the ear of most of the 10+ year veterans in this game. You don't think like them, and you do not have the same perspectives that they do. The same most likely goes with pure-pubbers as well. You do not have the same perspective as someone like Spock! has. You alone put yourself in the click of someone like zizzo (who I agree is a good candidate), which is to say you are part of a small group of TWers that is not representative of the whole.

If you have not noticed, this is not a one man show. It is a council, which means it is kind of like a Congress. In Congress, you always have people with their own agendas and viewpoints. That is needed to make everyone's perspectives heard. What Spock! mentioned with the category thing was actually based on a post I made. The entire zone should be represented, not just one group, and Lizard Fuel.. you are nowhere near representative of the entire zone. You are way too egotistical in a Kthx sort of way, yet without the player pull/past skill level/knowledge of the community that Kthx had.

As for guys like Pee Pee Sock, I think everyone agrees with that, since he couldn't even take the application seriously enough to write something legible. All you have to do is simply not vote him in. I will also say that anyone who thinks they have a better perspective on things should probably apply, because you are only hurting this thing by keeping your name out. If players want you voted in, you will be. If nobody thinks you'll do a good job and nobody actually likes you, then you won't be voted in and you can try for staff again as your backdoor. The only people making a mockery of the thing are people that refuse to even try, yet down the idea based on "no quality candidates" which is to say, you are being useless fucks.

[Demonic]

I'm assuming by "people of substance" Cres means somebody 'like' me. Up to this point I'd be the ONLY applicant that knows and participates in more or less every aspect of the zone. I was a SMod once upon a time, I've run TWL, I've been a TWD-Op/player, Ive contributed to TW-Dev in every aspect except coding, I practically invented TW Radio (I know pallies was before me), I know events probably better than any 4 people combined on staff, myself and MAGI KOZ created the Staff Training Dept (4 of my trainees are currently Upperstaff)I've donated more real world cash to this game and been screwed by 24 harder than anybody, I rewrote THE PUSHER's zone description on our website main page, I actually PLAY in pub and at a competitive level at the same time as compared to staying in spec all the time. I don't think a single applicant up to this point can say a single one of those things except maybe Zizzo (Who is a great applicant btw)

What dissuades me from even bothering with this is the fact that I've been blacklisted from contributing anymore because "I think I'm the best" (because I am) and some stupid rumors about a 2 week fling I had with a girl online 2 years ago. I don't crave power like the majority of staff, all I've ever asked for was the ability to host shit (Right Demonic?) but because poid doesn't like me the zone loses, not me. With my experience in game and in reality combined with my financial ability I could single handedly turn this game around from this downward spiral that we're in. In no way am I so jaded to think I am the saving grace that could prevent this zone from ever dying, because its not a matter of "if" but "when", but I could ensure that time comes at least several years later than the path we are on now. However, with my experience of actually being upperstaff, or just staff in general I know full well that I had zero influence or actual say in anything of any substance. All that power belongs in the hands of people who don't even play this game anymore. If I had no say as a SMod then I will certainly not subject myself to being partners with pee pee sock, beam, waza and spock! in a last ditch effort for people who don't even play the game to save some face.

On paper I think its a great idea, and the right person is running it in Qan. He is thorough, intelligent as fuck, polite and does a good job when he's actually active. The biggest downfall for me personally is the list of applicants. Theres 1-2 good ones in my eyes but we have 9 seats to fill with the likes of some of the biggest trolls in the history of the game (pps), and brand spanking new players that have absolutely no clue how things are supposed to be, due to no fault of their own but still true. So that combined with the staff side of this council who the majority are also more or less incapable of making knowledgeable decisions due to age/experience is why I'm not wasting my time by even applying for this. However, if you guys need a mod to host a shitload of events and take out the trash in pub let me know. I have almost 4 years experience

Correct you have only asked for powers to host I would quite happily have you, but as I said at the time, the decision is not mine to make

[LF]

That is why myself(and others) wanted councilmen to be put into categories (like the staff where) elected based on what they played most. As an example: A person like me would run for a position as a councilman for Pub, while another who mostly plays TWD would run for a TWD position. That way votes wouldn't be askew and it would be a council with diverse knowledge in the happenings and needs of their specific area. There could have been a slot or two for some Jack of all trades kind of players who dabble in many parts of the zone as well.

Unfortunatly, this wasn't implemented, and as a result we may end up with a council that may be rather biased in knowledge and passion for only a certain part of the zone. I know I wouldn't want a bunch of pure pubbers like myself on council, but they are needed, just as people with knowledge in other areas of the zone.

I don't doubt that you care and want to help Mr Spock, and I admire your willingness to contribute. I also can see the purpose of voting for people who specialize in 1 thing or another, in your case public arenas. What would concern me about voting for people like you or Exalt or Wazzaa or pee pee sock is how incredibly 1 sided your view is. As a member of the council you would not only be asked to address matters that concern pub, but the zone as a whole. Due to no fault of your own, but how could you possibly offer anything constructive to a conversation about TWL/TWD, or dueling, or events, or development, or marketing etc. Your opinion just like everybody elses is important and should be heard, but I believe the seats should go to people who actually have a clue in what they are talking about in more than 1 aspect of the zone. Please don't think this is a personal attack on you, I think you would make a fantastic candidate for <ZH> to increase your knowledge of how things work in TW. This opinion also applies to most of the staff that don't belong in a council seat but have a chair at the table merely because there was nobody else to pick from. I hope that makes sense

[Spock!]

thought of running myself until i saw the candidates. im sorry but i would not be able to take the position seriously at all if i had to work with people like pee pee sock and other pubbers who don't have any knowledge of any issues outside of pub..

That is why myself(and others) wanted councilmen to be put into categories (like the staff where) elected based on what they played most. As an example: A person like me would run for a position as a councilman for Pub, while another who mostly plays TWD would run for a TWD position. That way votes wouldn't be askew and it would be a council with diverse knowledge in the happenings and needs of their specific area. There could have been a slot or two for some Jack of all trades kind of players who dabble in many parts of the zone as well.

Unfortunatly, this wasn't implemented, and as a result we may end up with a council that may be rather biased in knowledge and passion for only a certain part of the zone. I know I wouldn't want a bunch of pure pubbers like myself on council, but they are needed, just as people with knowledge in other areas of the zone.

[Crescent Seal]

? y my post so good that even the forum gods double it

[Crescent Seal]

On paper I think its a great idea, and the right person is running it in Qan. He is thorough, intelligent as fuck, polite and does a good job when he's actually active. The biggest downfall for me personally is the list of applicants. Theres 1-2 good ones in my eyes but we have 9 seats to fill with the likes of some of the biggest trolls in the history of the game (pps), and brand spanking new players that have absolutely no clue how things are supposed to be, due to no fault of their own but still true. So that combined with the staff side of this council who the majority are also more or less incapable of making knowledgeable decisions due to age/experience is why I'm not wasting my time by even applying for this. However, if you guys need a mod to host a shitload of events and take out the trash in pub let me know. I have almost 4 years experience

this basically sums it up for me. i made a list of who i thought would be perfect for this on the 1st page of this thread (post #12). obviously it is bias but it has a nice balance to it and it would make the biggest positive impact. i thought of running myself until i saw the candidates. im sorry but i would not be able to take the position seriously at all if i had to work with people like pee pee sock and other pubbers who don't have any knowledge of any issues outside of pub. i still believe this is a step in the right direction and qan is the perfect guy to do it, but the whole thing has become a mockery now.

[LF]

I'm assuming by "people of substance" Cres means somebody 'like' me. Up to this point I'd be the ONLY applicant that knows and participates in more or less every aspect of the zone. I was a SMod once upon a time, I've run TWL, I've been a TWD-Op/player, Ive contributed to TW-Dev in every aspect except coding, I practically invented TW Radio (I know pallies was before me), I know events probably better than any 4 people combined on staff, myself and MAGI KOZ created the Staff Training Dept (4 of my trainees are currently Upperstaff)I've donated more real world cash to this game and been screwed by 24 harder than anybody, I rewrote THE PUSHER's zone description on our website main page, I actually PLAY in pub and at a competitive level at the same time as compared to staying in spec all the time. I don't think a single applicant up to this point can say a single one of those things except maybe Zizzo (Who is a great applicant btw)

What dissuades me from even bothering with this is the fact that I've been blacklisted from contributing anymore because "I think I'm the best" (because I am) and some stupid rumors about a 2 week fling I had with a girl online 2 years ago. I don't crave power like the majority of staff, all I've ever asked for was the ability to host shit (Right Demonic?) but because poid doesn't like me the zone loses, not me. With my experience in game and in reality combined with my financial ability I could single handedly turn this game around from this downward spiral that we're in. In no way am I so jaded to think I am the saving grace that could prevent this zone from ever dying, because its not a matter of "if" but "when", but I could ensure that time comes at least several years later than the path we are on now. However, with my experience of actually being upperstaff, or just staff in general I know full well that I had zero influence or actual say in anything of any substance. All that power belongs in the hands of people who don't even play this game anymore. If I had no say as a SMod then I will certainly not subject myself to being partners with pee pee sock, beam, waza and spock! in a last ditch effort for people who don't even play the game to save some face.

On paper I think its a great idea, and the right person is running it in Qan. He is thorough, intelligent as fuck, polite and does a good job when he's actually active. The biggest downfall for me personally is the list of applicants. Theres 1-2 good ones in my eyes but we have 9 seats to fill with the likes of some of the biggest trolls in the history of the game (pps), and brand spanking new players that have absolutely no clue how things are supposed to be, due to no fault of their own but still true. So that combined with the staff side of this council who the majority are also more or less incapable of making knowledgeable decisions due to age/experience is why I'm not wasting my time by even applying for this. However, if you guys need a mod to host a shitload of events and take out the trash in pub let me know. I have almost 4 years experience