Spider limitations? What a backwards irrelevent rule

[Jerome Scuggs]

all i know is that instead of being fun, having a lagjav rush in and do weird shitisnt more interesting, just annoying

[Cig Smoke]

Exactly, and alot of teams will play there laggiest guy in jav, bc they dont have a suitable jav.

[bloodzombie]

A really good jav beats a 5th spider, there just aren't a lot of javs that are worth giving up that 5th spider for.

[Jerome Scuggs]

exactly, if teams want a jav, let them, but dont penalize the other 40,000 squads.

[K2Grey]

Just because the jav is good doesn't mean he's laggy.

[bloodzombie]

Originally posted by Jerome Scuggs
exactly, if teams want a jav, let them, but dont penalize the other 40,000 squads.

I actually agree with you, I'm just going a different route... I'm saying that 5 spids isn't so great, so why make a rule against it?

[wadi]

Originally posted by bloodzombie
A really good jav beats a 5th spider, there just aren't a lot of javs that are worth giving up that 5th spider for.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison BZ. A "really good" spider's going to rape your "really good" jav anyway. First time a jav goes out and kills like ezo, then we'll talk.

[Nickname]

Javs didn't get surpassed, they're j ust simply not as good a basing ship with the current base setup.

Also, we're not exactly trying to help them anyways, everything we do is based around making you need to use 5 spiders.

A) No shipchanges, so you better use 5 spiders or get fucked.
B) we warp into ear at start now, on the auto warp a jav is pretty damn useless unless you've got horrible sharks on the other team where as before the jav would be on the terr and have to kill the other terr while attached
C)a laggy jav, even a 2d laggy jav - won't ever be able to rocket through a laggy cram (and all crams are laggy)

Without a base change or a limit of 4 spiders, then javs you do see are gonna be few and far between.

[Cig Smoke]

K2 i wasnt implying that all good base javs are laggy, i was implying that squads without a "nockm" or "pj" or someone like them will probably play there laggiest guy (if noticable amount of lag) in jav. It was done b4 the cram was created and it will be done again.

[K2Grey]

Originally posted by wadi
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison BZ. A "really good" spider's going to rape your "really good" jav anyway. First time a jav goes out and kills like ezo, then we'll talk.

I'd say Pearl Jam kills enough to double as a spider. But isn't one of the whole points of jav to terrkill? I don't think any spider can get 14 TeKs in 2 games like Nockm in Elu-Diso semifinals.

Edit: Btw, what do you mean by "first time"? Domi went 150-60 in jav vs British Squad in TWL just last season. And I went 149-55 last night vs. Spastic. Since I suck at jav, it shouldn't be too hard to get similar kills.

[Cig Smoke]

Well thats the point im trying to make, javs can be as useful as a spider, and spiders shouldnt be limited. Also if u had a shipchange or 2 u could experament. The way it was last season ppl jsut played 5 spiders bc they didnt want to risk taking the chance.

[Stabwound]

Don't go bragging and thinking you're awesome. That was a highly abnormal game and you know it.

[Jerome Scuggs]

yeah stab, i watched that game...i could have gone 200-50 in a shark

but yeah, now teams just get their laggy player in jav. and it sucks. It's getting to the point where im glad for a 7v7 (where 4 spids are played) instead of 8v8. No offense, but also especially when k2grey javs.

I just dont think they should force it upon us. Some teams probably relied on the jav as their secret tool, when 5 spids was the norm.

And if a justification for the jav was 'ez-er to break crams', you're right. But some people prefe to just push in with spids, not wipeout the team from afar, so dont fuck us over so some squad can get their jav and not be afraid of spiders.

[K2Grey]

Yeah, I know it was an abnormal game, esp. since Pure_Luck got a new keyboard and iirc he has to hit "a" instead of "0" for insert now.

Still, people like PJ, Nockm, 2d, Turbonium shouldn't be that overmatched by spids.

[Jerome Scuggs]

now that i think about it...is the jav going to be all that widespread? Those new lancaster modifications are pretty juicy, except no 1-kill anymore. but it would line good, sweeping up. 3 spiders+2 lancs in a crine (where the spids cram, and lans line) would be pretty cool